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Category: Sample Data-Articles
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Published on Saturday, 25 June 2011 21:16
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Written by Super User
During the last few days, MtGox have been restoring their system and had a long and painful process where users had to claim back their accounts. Later on, after even more delays, the trading was eventually started again. It was 5 days in which many people had no idea if they had lost their money or not, and nobody knew if the value of their currency would disappear as soon as the market would open again.
During this time, it was possible to post comments on MtGox' announcement page, and the nervous comments are now saved from the Google cache by MtGox Sucks. Anyone can read all comments that it was possible to recover below.
Matt Drollette
Jun-20 2011 04:11.
Ramboke
Jun-20 2011 04:12.
MaddMike
Jun-20 2011 04:13.
Wyatt
Jun-20 2011 04:14.
Fred
Jun-20 2011 04:14.
derp
Jun-20 2011 04:14.
Dieter Grosz
yes, at leat one should be forced to have a fairly save PW, I mean lite 12+ chars
Very good you are rolling back everything. Otherwise I'd have killed myself for missing the chance to become a millionaire :D
Jun-20 2011 04:15.
fbaligant
Jun-20 2011 04:15.
Dustin Dettmer
- Glad to see only 1k stolen! Will mtgox be reimbursing the stolen coins?
Jun-20 2011 04:16.
DarkriftX
Jun-20 2011 04:16.
Ross
Are you certain that an account was compromised or that the account itself was a collection of compromised BTC? Some time should be spent thinking about the result of when/how you determine intervention should be applied to the market.
See: http://blockexplorer.com/address/1KLahQtqDNAXvrjNyfvgSBtAhwco5ZxLp4 For what i'm talking about. This address received large sums of BTC from many different addresses all at one time a week ago. That BTC was then transfered to MtGox and dumped on the market at once.
Jun-20 2011 04:17.
Jean Pierre Rupp
All web browsers have public key criptography capabilities. Have the computer generate a public key pair during setup of the account and force the user to authenticate with that private key as well as her password. That will add some security to all. There's also Liberty-Reserve-like OTP, or even a hardware device would do for some clients with lots of bitcoins.
Bitcoin is not the small newborn baby it used to be last year, and Mt. Gox needs to grow up as well.
Jun-20 2011 04:22.
mogadanez
Jun-20 2011 04:23.
Mithun Varghese
Jun-20 2011 04:23.
Ross
Jun-20 2011 04:27.
Duy Pham Hoang
Jun-20 2011 04:28.
Seth
Jun-20 2011 04:29.
MaddMike
Jun-20 2011 04:30.
alalalalum
Jun-20 2011 04:33.
Duy Pham Hoang
I think if MTGox reset accounts' password to 12:00 AM 18-06, ot will be very appreciated.
Maybe the true owners can change pass before hacker can do something.
Jun-20 2011 04:36.
Danny Storvick
Jun-20 2011 04:37.
Danny Storvick
Jun-20 2011 04:38.
BitStarter
Jun-20 2011 04:41.
elments
Why should everyone who profited from the crash suffer your inablitiy to secure the site?
Anyone who owns shouldn't have 500K in his Mt Gox account anyway (and make sure no one gets his/her password).
So, everyone who got cheap bitcoins today will have them reversed??? THAT is stealing!
Please give a statement to that!!!
Jun-20 2011 04:42.
Jamie Bronton
- I don't think you're realizing what a disaster this is. You won't be able to rollback all the transactions because substantial amounts of Bitcoins have been withdrawn, and you can't just declare a price of $17.5 or reinstate people's orders to achieve that price because circumstances have changed. I would object strongly if my prior order is reinstated without giving me a chance to review the current, rather than past, conditions. What of people who both bought and sold after the hack?
Jun-20 2011 04:43.
Bill
This is BS. The people that made money by buying low and then withdrew their bitcoins immediately after the crash in the panic will keep thier earnings. Along with many suffering losses off this exchange. None of these you can erase or take back. Meanwhile, it is the rest of us that get screwed. I want access to my account and my Bitcoins now!!!! I've lost faith in your site and want to access my account. ASAP.
Jun-20 2011 04:43.
Fred
Jun-20 2011 04:45.
Jamie Bronton
Jun-20 2011 04:48.
Danny Storvick
Jun-20 2011 04:48.
elments
I AM AGAINST ROLLBACK!!! (I don't even see how that would work anyway - for the above stated reasons).
Looking for supporters ! (I am sorry for the guy who lost 500K BTC - but, honestly who owns 8.750.000 USD in Bitcoins and cannot secure his/her password doesn't deserve any better!!!)
Jun-20 2011 04:48.
Bill
Jun-20 2011 04:49.
elments
Jun-20 2011 04:49.
k_v_bitcoins
The leaked account info is ligit.
Just downloaded, it contains:
| account no. | username | email address | $1$hashed password |
Everybody that chose a sufficiently complex password should not worry too much i guess.
Jun-20 2011 04:49.
merchant
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Jun-20 2011 04:52.
Massimiliano Alberti
Yeah, I'd like to know exactly how you are going to rollback moved-out money. Then there is the problem of the possible crash of the market 5 minutes after you reopen it. And considering your site is quite s***** when there are more than a few persons trying to operate on it, it will be fun! And it isn't clear how much money you truly have and how much you exposed yourself and if you are truly solvible for all the money/btc persons deposited in your site.
Jun-20 2011 04:52.
alalalalum
I really hope that the passwords are salted.
It would be terribly stupid and incompetent of the administrators if they weren't.
By the way, the roll back is a stupid policy. What are we playing?
There is no CTRL+Z in real life.
Jun-20 2011 04:54.
elments
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Jun-20 2011 04:55.
Zbigniew Lukasiak
Jun-20 2011 04:55.
alalalalum
btw, good luck to whoever tries to crack my password.
Even in a cluster of supercomputers in a Class F (1,000,000,000 passwords per second) attack, it would take a millennium to crack it.
Jun-20 2011 05:01.
Brian Raymond
Jun-20 2011 05:03.
eipku
Jun-20 2011 05:04.
CG
Jun-20 2011 05:05.
brendon lind
Jun-20 2011 05:12.
alalalalum
This is a very big lesson to everyone here TO REMIND US:
1) Use a damn strong password you dimwit. Alphanumeric passwords longer than 13 characters are almost unbreakable in our lifespan (and if you add just only ONE symbol it becomes practically uncrackable for two lifespans)
2) Don't fucking the same passwords in different sites. Reusing the passwords is the dumbest thing you can do.
3) Don't put all your eggs in one nest.
BTW, MtGox: this is not a game. There is no "roll back" in life.
The hacked account got hacked by a sum and coincidence of negligences, both YOURS (lame security) and the USER's (lame policies).
If you want to compensate the poor fool, it is up to you.
But reverting the whole market (that is all of us) is another huge mistake, not even mention setting up an arbitrary price in the market, that is simply insane.
I assure you, IF YOU GO AHEAD with reverting back transactions, it will mark the beginning of the end of MTGox: NO ONE WILL EVER TRUST YOU AGAIN EVER. Who knows when my purchases will be reverted back in a whim AGAIN?
MTGOX: Don't make one wrong to three.
Jun-20 2011 05:16.
Tomas Zeleninsky
Jun-20 2011 05:16.
Frank
Would it not be a good idea to have automatic circuit breakers in place to prevent extreme market instability like this?
A 700% drop in price in a couple of minutes should not be seen as normal trading activity.
Of course people are going to be hopping mad if they miss out on opportunities either way, but with automatic safeguards in place this would also be lessened somewhat.
Jun-20 2011 05:18.
MBH
So because one account failed to protect itself, everyone must suffer?
Yes, the account lost its coins and that lead to the market being flooded with coins, dropping the price down, but how is that EVERYONE's problem? It's YOUR problem and the OWNER's problem.
Jun-20 2011 05:18.
Eric Olson
I am curious to know what the per bitcoin value of the $1000 withdrawn was at the time. Were they $1000 at $5 each or $13 each? Can't say I'm terribly pleased at the idea of not getting the coins I bought at $14.01 while it was on it's way down, but no matter how they do this it's going to be a huge mess. I am really surprised that there weren't any kind of safeguards in place. I would have thought the last big drop would have made that a priority. I suspect the exchange will loose out more than anyone else in the long term.
Jun-20 2011 05:19.
MBH
However the outcome is, I'm withdrawing my coins and moving to another market.
I even emailed you guys about how to secure the accounts and how to enforce better security. I guess you haven't had the time to check the email (hopefully you didn't just ignore it).
Jun-20 2011 05:21.
Stephen Yarger
Jun-20 2011 05:23.
Danny Storvick
Jun-20 2011 05:24.
Marcus L. Beach
Jun-20 2011 05:25.
felix
Jun-20 2011 05:25.
Bill
Jun-20 2011 05:26.
phantm
Jun-20 2011 05:29.
Brian Raymond
As others have said you are taking one big problem and turning it into many by rolling the transactions back, not to mention opening yourself up to serious legal threats in both the US and Japan. I missed out on the fire sale so I expect my BTC are going to be worth much less since I bought at over $20 and you are just making it worse.
Jun-20 2011 05:30.
Stephen Yarger
Rollbacks/broken trades happen all the time in the stock market, there is nothing wrong with a rollback. I've seen this happen many times on the Nasdaq and the NYSE when someone gets a fill that is too far outside the current bid/ask spread by using an outside ECN. I've also seen trades for large sections of time all broken because of computer errors, quote errors, ect. It's not fair for everyone, but rollbacks are common in financial markets. The rollback is not the issue, making sure all of the accounts are secure when they go back live is the issue.
Jun-20 2011 05:30.
Bill
Jun-20 2011 05:33.
Brian Raymond
Jun-20 2011 05:36.
Dieter Grosz
haha, all the guys that profited from the crash are crying "No! don't roll back, it's not going to work !"
Honestly guys, of course Mt.Gox cannot undo transactions of bitcoins that have been withdrawn from the accounts. But I'm fairly sure that this ammount is fairly small and they simply pay the difference out of their own pockets. So, they can do and they will regardless of how much you yearn for it not to become true.
But an automated protection mechanism that suspends trading if a big crash happens really should be installed -better said- should have been installed IN THE PAST ALREADY. Same is done on the big Markets to prevent the marked from crashing too extreme.
Jun-20 2011 05:37.
Duy Pham Hoang
MtGox, please roll back email information for my account
Hacker change my pass, and delete my email, too
If you roll back it, i will be appreciated
Thank you
ID: duy1124
Jun-20 2011 05:42.
Stephen Yarger
Brian, I disagree, on the Nasdaq and on the NYSE hundreds of thousands of trades are broken when they rollback due to an error or an obvious problem. They almost never catch these things immediately and many, many orders get executed before the problems are stopped.
I also disagree with the Mt.Gox statement that no other accounts have been compromised. My email was no longer registered with Mt.gox today, I had to re-register to join this forum. Also, I took a look at the leaked spreadsheet and the email associated with my user name was not correct. I appears that my account may have been hacked as well.
Jun-20 2011 05:43.
Stephen Yarger
Jun-20 2011 05:46.
Ace
Whine all you like, roll-back is gonna happen. Don't like it, take your BTCs and go.
Mt Gox needs to step up it's security and put in some circuit-breakers.
Yes, this should have been done already, but it's water over the dam.
I just hope they get back on line soon so I can see if my account has been compromised
Jun-20 2011 05:47.
Marcus L. Beach
Jun-20 2011 05:49.
Dieter Grosz
@Stephen
Hmm, this is alarming me. Did you have a "strong" password ?
Luckily, in the csv-file the Email associated with my account still was correct.
Somehow funny, that data about my account that was stolen/hacked from Mt.Gox does appeace my worries :D
Jun-20 2011 05:50.
mbraun
Jun-20 2011 05:50.
Fred
It wasn't one person that got hacked, it was the entire site. The hacker had access to all the usernames and passwords, instead of spending 6 monhs to brute force a hash he just used his access to the database to give himself the money he didnt really have.
This means it wasn't just one persons funds that were sold off, it was everybodies including yours.
Jun-20 2011 05:52.
alalalalum
Jun-20 2011 05:56.
Verlorene Generation
- @Stephen
unlike at the stock market you can NOT roll-back the trades, because some of the commodity (BitCoins) cannot be retrieved again due to the system's anonymous design. This is not an issue on the NYSE, but it is here.
Jun-20 2011 05:57.
Conor McCarthy
Jun-20 2011 06:04.
Mark Cross
Jun-20 2011 06:06.
Rok Jaklic
Jun-20 2011 06:07.
mbraun
Jun-20 2011 06:09.
mbraun
Jun-20 2011 06:10.
Stephen Yarger
Deiter, my password was "strong", but not "very strong" (according to your basic password tester site), it appears that it should have been much stronger. Anyone else check the leaked spreadsheet and have a different email on their account?
Verlorene, good point, some bit coins may have been transfered. Let's just hope that Mt.Gox did not allow the $1000 max from every account before they shut things down.
Jun-20 2011 06:12.
Abraham
Jun-20 2011 06:12.
ruadhan
Just to answer some of the worries about the password hash included in the file:
1) It's true that md5 has been compromised, and that exploits have been found to generate hash collisions for modified certificates and files where the certificate/file content is already known. However, this *cannot* be used to crack an unknown password more easily. Brute force is realistically the only way.
2) The passwords are salted before hashing, and each password has an individual salt which is stored with the hash. @mbraun is incorrect in saying this makes security weaker; in fact it makes it stronger. To quickly cover this for those who don't know, a "salt" is a small chunk of data that is added to the start of your password before it is hashed; this prevents "rainbow tables", or lists of precomputed hashes, from being used to very easily look up passwords from a hash. Salting all the passwords for a system means that standard rainbow tables can't be used; however, if a single salt is used, once that's known then attackers can regenerate their rainbow tables using the same salt and brute-force all the passwords in one go. Having an individual salt for each password (which does then have to be stored with each password, so it can be used!) is much safer: it means attackers must brute-force each password individually.
You can criticise MtGox a lot for having a system that could be broken into, but their password hashing is better than much of what's out there. I'm not saying it couldn't be improved (a stronger hashing scheme with many rounds to make brute-forcing even slower would be better), but the attackers are going to have to break each password separately so that non-trivial passwords will take a significant time to break.
Jun-20 2011 06:12.
Dieter Grosz
yeah but how can I change my pass with MtGox beeing down ?
So I've got to stay up all night, to try to compete in a race "who's first to my account" with the hacker ?
Shit is that
Jun-20 2011 06:12.
elments
I just got the following email:
Dear Mt.Gox user,
Our database has been compromised, including your email. We are working on a
quick resolution and to begin with, your password has been disabled as a
security measure (and you will need to reset it to login again on Mt.Gox).
If you were using the same password on Mt.Gox and other places (email, etc),
you should change this password as soon as possible.
For more details, please see this:
The informations there will be updated as our investigation progresses.
Please accept our apologies for the troubles caused, and be certain we will do
everything we can to keep the funds entrusted with us as secure as possible.
The leaked data includes the following:
- Account number
- Account login
- Email address
- Encrypted password
While the password is encrypted, it is possible to bruteforce most passwords
with time, and it is likely bad people are working on this right now.
Any unauthorized access done to any account you own (email, mtgox, etc) should
be reported to the appropriate authorities in your country.
Thanks,
The Mt.Gox team
=> What does this mean and how can we reset our passwords - now that the site ist down ????
Jun-20 2011 06:14.
woftor
Jun-20 2011 06:14.
firexware
Jun-20 2011 06:18.
Bill
Jun-20 2011 06:18.
Petrovski
Jun-20 2011 06:18.
mbraun
- @ruadhan Basically it does not matter what we think of having the salt public as well. Cracking a typical password (IIRC MtGox did not enforce basic passwort complexity rules) is a task which can be done within seconds. In fact it does not really make brute-forcing harder than it is, it just requires focused attacks for each password, like you correctly stated. However, the password database is available for offline attacks now, that makes it de-facto a public password list.
It might be that some sites store passwords plain-text and MtGox did not - however, this is not the time telling the people MtGox are heroes for hashing the password.
My statement was, that each MtGox user should change the password at any other service it has been used. Especially at the E-Mail service because that information has been exposed at the login. Most people use one password for multiple services, sadly.
Jun-20 2011 06:22.
josh
Jun-20 2011 06:23.
Richard Anderson
Jun-20 2011 06:31.
Richard Anderson
Jun-20 2011 06:31.
KM
Jun-20 2011 06:34.
Joshua
Jun-20 2011 06:35.
Robert
Apart from the DB breakin, I think it is shocking that one account owns roughly 1/13th of all available bitcoins at the moment anyway. Imo it should be plain impossible for one account to have such impact on the total value of the BTC. And I presume that this account is not the only mega account. Now it was a hacker, but tomorrow a real owner of one of these accounts decides to cash and totally skrews the value of our bitcoins.
This issue has completely erased my confidence in the BTC. And I think I'm not the only one. This hack will probably reset the value of the BTC in the following days. Great!
Jun-20 2011 06:36.
Jon Johanssen
Jun-20 2011 06:36.
Bitcoin Channel
Jun-20 2011 06:36.
KM
Jun-20 2011 06:37.
devserial
I'm shocked at the level of rudeness towards MagicalTux on this forum just because you are unable to get rich quick on the misfortune of another. Rollbacks happen all the time and regardless, you are using MtGox without any written agreement as to what can and cannot be done, so you have no say in the matter. I have some coins tied up in here too, but I for one am glad there's a method in place to fight hackers. This really amounts to receiving stolen property, and if this was "real life" you don't get your money back, they just take the coins and the thief gets away with the money, so be glad someone cares enough to protect you and don't complain that you cant snatch up all of the guys stolen coins at 50 cents on the dollar. Karma people..sheesh..
Jun-20 2011 06:41.
Datura
Jun-20 2011 06:43.
Bill
Is MTGOX fucking stupid? Allow me access to my account so I can change my password NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are the most incompetent people to ever run a trading exchange. You are history as one.
I have to work and I don't want to be up all night thinking some hacker has access to my account. If you also roll back the trades. I'm going to sue.
Jun-20 2011 06:43.
Dieter Grosz
Jun-20 2011 06:43.
Dee Brown
I'm not exactly happy with this. I panicked and sold off loosing a few hundred, then I got my balls back transferred in a few thousand a 12bucks and made a killing on the ride up to 18+. If I continue to use the site it will be for quick get in and transfer purchases whatever direction. I am sure from the owners aspect it is just on big cluster f*ck but business is business. I was ready to accept my losses and took full responsibility. It does not seem that that philosophy exist in this company. No one trader should control the market so competition will save the day after all. I signed up with tradehill.com today as a result. If you choose do so get a deep discount by using the coupon code: TH-R14654 (gives you a 30% discount on all trades and fees permanently). I think I will build a trading platform closer to ameritrade. Listen out...
Lastly, this is expected. I would actually think that the money theft is a cover or bonus. The government(s) want to know who is trading this subversive coinage and who has the most. They eventually will spend a lot of effort (government and banking interests) to cause market shocks. It is how they established themselves initially and brought down their competitors. For us to insulate ourselves against it we must be vigilant against large sell offs and news scares. Also HUGE buys to grab up coins should be watched. Encryption should be the standard at every level including the bitcoin client and dat files!!!
For those using Chrome or Firefox you get get a browser enhancement/pluging Hash password/ and Passhashr respectively. On every site you can even use the same or a similar password then select how many digits, 6 through to 26, and it will easily "salt" and generate the hardest to crack password but easy to remember for YOU!
If anything I said helped micro bit me should you feel generous: 1BTCdnB6EeHhAEjbwefR62bPCJTH6zKyk7 (actually towards a charity that is NOT ME, lol)
Jun-20 2011 06:44.
mbraun
Jun-20 2011 06:45.
Faceless Businessman
@devserial I have a say. I pay for the service. I am a customer. And I demand access to my money and my coins. I also have a say as to whether I trade with them again. And, I'm going with NO, I will not trade with them again.
Jun-20 2011 06:46.
Steve
I submitted ticket several times to mtgox and did not hear back for more then 5 days.. Here is my story - http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=19221.0
Definitely they were hacked and login/passwords were hijacked. Probably hackers were trying to withdraw $1000 worth of coins from each account. My 50+ btc are lost due same issue. And looks like mtgox.com is not going to refund/fix it.
Jun-20 2011 06:49.
Pierre
Jun-20 2011 06:49.
Dee Brown
P.S. Knew the sell off panic was coming but at the hands of government I had thought, all the newbies would sell and panic. My email let me know my open order to buy tons of bitcoins at a low got filled! Fucking rollbacks...but it seems it was filled with stolen coins, those I do not want.
Jun-20 2011 06:52.
josh
Jun-20 2011 06:52.
Uncle Mantis
Jun-20 2011 06:54.
John Hamelink
Jun-20 2011 06:57.
Robert
Jun-20 2011 06:59.
Pierre
Jun-20 2011 06:59.
Faceless Businessman
Jun-20 2011 07:01.
Pierre
Jun-20 2011 07:04.
Asuka
Jun-20 2011 07:05.
Taylor Redden
I think that maybe Mt. Gox has informed google of which accounts could possibly comprimised, thus the reason for 'suspicious' activity and locked down accounts. I think they just wanted everyone to change their password.
Funny thing is, I never got my email regarding the situation until after I had actually logged into google, and reset my password, and then checked my mail.
All in all guys, chill the fuck out. You can never make money without risk, and this is the risk you accepted by being an early adopter. Just sit back and breathe for a second, then think about how lucky you are to actually have that breath of air. You are still alive, so it could be worse...
Jun-20 2011 07:06.
Nuke
Jun-20 2011 07:07.
Pierre
Jun-20 2011 07:08.
Pierre
Jun-20 2011 07:08.
elevenstorms
Jun-20 2011 07:08.
ktomi
Same for me with Gmail. WTF. AT least I changed it, haven't been changed for a while. :)
Anyway, I don't know what you people are complaining about. You deposit money into nowhere to some website that no one knows anything about and now if something goes wrong you complain. WTF. Chill out, as you can see the site owners are handling the issue responsibly, with diligence
Jun-20 2011 07:09.
Dieter Grosz
Jun-20 2011 07:09.
Asuka
I love all these people who are moving to trade hill and posting their commission link. Nothing like trying to get another free dollar, right guys?
And when Trade Hill gets hacked next... what are you going to do then?
Jun-20 2011 07:09.
ktomi
Jun-20 2011 07:11.
Pierre
Jun-20 2011 07:11.
Asuka
Jun-20 2011 07:14.
Faceless Businessman
@everyone telling me to chill out. They can easily allow access to our accounts to change our passwords without allowing trading. This wasn't one users account that was compromised. It was all of ours. They are lying about this as I can plainly see their database on the bitcoin forums.
Also, this is my fucking money. They don't have a right to keep it from me and I can complain about my money and coins being tied up all I fucking want.
Jun-20 2011 07:14.
Dan Maddox
►I would like an intelligent answer on exactly how you are going to rollback my buying at bottom and transfer of three blocks of 50?
They're securely sitting in my encrypted wallet on a machine I only connect for transfers.
Jun-20 2011 07:15.
Asuka
@Faceless Businessman
and we can tell you to chill out all we want. You can cry conspiracy all you want. But most of us in the bitcoin circle already know about the guy who's wallet got jacked for 25,000 coins... I think we just saw the fallout of that jacking. You aren't a business man... you are a petulant child. Now time to learn the risks with investing in anything that is strictly on the web with no backing.
Jun-20 2011 07:17.
Asuka
Jun-20 2011 07:18.
Rickard Olsson
The "discount" codes for Tradehill that a few people here are posting are actually their own referral codes.
You will not get a discount, but they will get a kickback from Tradehill for scamming you. Read more here: https://www.tradehill.com/Support/ReferralProgram/
Jun-20 2011 07:20.
Gus
Change ALL PASSWORD.
Status.......: Aborted
Hash.Type....: md5crypt, MD5(Unix), FreeBSD MD5
Input.Mode...: File (rockyou.txt)
Time.Running.: 41 mins, 20 secs
Time.Left....: 3 days, 22 hours
Speed........: 2405.0k/s
Recovered....: 830/59100 Digests, 830/59100 Salts
Progress.....: 5969018880/821609796960 (0.73%)
HW.Monitor.#1: 94% GPU, 70c Temp
Jun-20 2011 07:21.
Green9
This reminds me of this time I was watching the discovery channel. A couple of wolves chased after a huge herd of who-knows-where-foreign cows and ended up freaking them all out, killed a sick baby calf, omg madness everywhere ... and yet, if the cows had the intelligence we humans are so gifted with, they would have lost next to nothing, and it would have cost them next to no effort.
What I'm trying to say here is this: more damage is caused by allowing ourselves to be spooked about this, or by being tempted to exploit others out of greed, or by trying to minimize our currently-imaginary losses. If we all relax and allow Gox support to fix the issues without all the incessant drama, things will be back to normal before we know it. The BTC movement is bigger than this, and so are the huge benefits that said movement will bring to bare on society over time.
John
PS. I own over 10k btc.
Jun-20 2011 07:22.
Joe
MtGox guys, I'm on your side. This is hard times and you're doing pretty good. Heads up! Thanks.
All the crying whinnies: WTF guys, this is an emerging market and big waves come and go. If MtGox are nice, we will rollback and all will be nice and smooth as before. And that you possibly got starhigh rich and now threaten with lawyers? C'mon kids! I know, it sucks, but that happens even on "real" exchanges. And: you probably did read terms of use, right? And have a signed contract..so yeah, go and cry at your lawyer's :P I hope you were spart enough to not to have life-threatening sums of $ engaged in BTC.
And we all shall use strong passwords :)
Nice evening to all good folks around here! Let's meet tommorow on markatplace ;)
Jun-20 2011 07:23.
Dan Maddox
@Asuka,
Thanks for the clarification, was just curious if they had some measure to that.
No matter what happens now, Mt.Gox cred is going to take a serious beating.
Jun-20 2011 07:23.
Asuka
Jun-20 2011 07:28.
Stuma
The Problem will be:
Persons that didn't add a Email Address would never be able to login again. EXCEPT, maybe, if they can prove some transactions. Like "Hey, i got XX from your via XYXYXYXYXYXXYXY" or "I transferred XXX via Wire / SEPA from my account Nr . bla bla "
Then MTGox could reactivate the account.
Email users could get the reactivate email.
Jun-20 2011 07:29.
brian smith
If the rollback is done properly then that is the best course of action. There have been some recent rollbacks on the US stock market where some stocks had very large price movements down and back up at the end of trading. It does happen. The bigger concern is if this was a result of a cross site scripting exploit and will that be corrected. We need the following answers.
1. Is the Cross Site Scripting Error being addressed too?
2. Will there be a blanket password reset? How will it done by email?
3. When will the site return?
Jun-20 2011 07:33.
anonymous
guys, i beg you all to calm down. there have been way too many hysterical reactions on the proposal of a rollback here. of course it is a pity that you would have made money without the rollback. i myself cannot login into my account and am uncertain about my money. though there are 2 things that are very important:
first, do not in any case withdraw your money immediately after the reopening. the price would fall to a horrifyingly deep level and every single one of you will lose money. bitcoin is a currency that lives of trust. without us trusting the currency and its trading platforms, it will be lose-lose. i am sure that mt gox will make the right steps and be able to regain our trust.
second, a rollback will be a just solution for everyone. after this is done, mt gox will have to increase security levels, eg by introducing PIN and TAN numbers as it is common in online banking and broking.. and they lived happily ever after..
SO PLEASE, CALM DOWN!
Jun-20 2011 07:35.
brian smith
Jun-20 2011 07:36.
anonymous
additionally, i must remind you that everyone on mt gox had knowledge of the risk trading here. every site can somehow be hacked, security levels were low, so everyone could foresee this. you cannot blame other people for your own risk-unawareness
Jun-20 2011 07:38.
Asuka
Jun-20 2011 07:38.
Zerostar
Jun-20 2011 07:44.
Zerostar
Jun-20 2011 07:45.
Shat
Well, this sucks, I as well have had many attempts made at brute forcing my Gmail account and Google has continued to reset my password, starting to get annoying though. However, my biggest concern right now is.. when login(s) are once again available, and if I am unable to immediately login and change my password, what is to happen if someone is able to crack my password that has been released now via the forums. Its salted, obviously, but that doesn't mean someone isn't going to end up cracking it. I would like to know EXACTLY when I am able to login and reset my password or opt to receive a re-activation email to the address on file.
MTGOX, have you any thoughts or statements to address such questions that I am sure other individuals are having as well?
Jun-20 2011 07:52.
nelson
Jun-20 2011 07:53.
Dan Maddox
Jun-20 2011 07:54.
Philip Meier
To calm down is always good, but some problems are:
a) A full rollback will not be possible, because many users who bought their bitcoins cheap, will probably have transfered them to their secure personal wallet on their computer. Try to rollback that!
b) The non-reversibility and anonymity of bitcoin transactions are also Bitcoins' biggest flaw. Regulators around the globe will not like this and now with this huge incident, the courts, authorities and financial regulators around the globe have good reason to look into this.
I would not be surprised if this entire bitcoin thing will be declared somewhat illegal and transactions to and from bitcoins into other currencies will become very difficult in the future, as no company will be allowed to do it anymore.
Best Regards
Philip
Jun-20 2011 07:54.
Andrey Frolov
MTGox - wish you the best in fixing the security, doing rollback.
Those who try to earn on other's grief from stolen bitcoins or huge price drop - what are you trying to do? Is that much different from robbery?
And the last - regarding those tradehill "discount codes" - there are no discount for those codes, just some comission for those who post them. So if you want to send me some thanks - use my code TH-R15764
Also, TradeHill made nice gesture and disabled trades and withdraws for some hours, due to MtGox issue. Good move, as this will stop some greedy ppl from earning from btc fall and unevitable future rise, doing bad things to bitcoin market in process.
Jun-20 2011 07:55.
Andrew
A suggestion to secure your passwords:
Write a master list of your accounts and their associated passwords using pen and paper. Hide it somewhere in your room. Make sure each password is UNIQUE and complicated. You can also store a copy if it on a hard drive, but make sure that the hard drive is never connected to a network!
Jun-20 2011 07:55.
Andrey Frolov
For those with emails - you can go to sleep after changing your email password I believe. This is an excerpt from email I got from MtGox:
"Our database has been compromised, including your email. We are working on a
quick resolution and to begin with, your password has been disabled as a
security measure (and you will need to reset it to login again on Mt.Gox). "
so I think there is nothing to worry if you have secure email (not the same password as in mtgox and not on mailbox like mailinator :)
Jun-20 2011 08:00.
User123
If they roll back the sell out will happen as soon as people are able to log back in. A dramatic decrease in value seems unavoidable but Mt. Gox should at least:
- suspend trade for a reasonable amount of time (and I would say at least a full day after log in is restored) to allow every affected user to log in, cancel and set orders, change their passwords etc.
- all automatic buy orders should be cancelled
Btw, I received an email even though I consider my password reasonably secure. But we'll see...
Jun-20 2011 08:00.
elments
The planned rollback is the biggest scam of all! Do you really believe someone tried to steal money from a 500K account?
If anything it was a cooperation / intelligence service / paypal or antything trying to hurt the new currency (with their own bitcoins).
Everyone who BOUGHT while prices were dropping did this as a trader - very well knowing it could fall and stay at zero.
Those who had the courrage to do so - believing that bitcoin wil prevail in the longterm now get punished!
Now, you want to rollback - THIS IS THE SCAM EVER - this is only be done to "keep" face by Mt Gox. Because if Mt Gox does not do the rollback it states that it is open for hackers in the future. (Sure, Mt Gox already has made their cut...and they want to continue doing so!!! Don't be blind, people!!!)
This is unbelievable.
And accusing investors of being robbers is the most insolent thing of all!!! No one knew exactly what happend and why, everyone decided to do the best of his/her ability in that moment and did what he/she considered the best course of action. Buying during a crash takes a lot of balls. That is trading. If you don't like it - don't do it. But to reverse a trade because the rate has dropped "too much" - that's just insane (where are we in Woodstock???). Again, I am sorry if anyone lost his/her coins due to hacking, but it simply can't be that everyone else has to suffer from that!!!
Jun-20 2011 08:07.
Kit Kit
Jun-20 2011 08:11.
Danny Storvick
Jun-20 2011 08:11.
Andrey Frolov
Yes, of course, those buying stolen bitcoins are knights in white armour, with huge balls (in armour too, or maybe just with the balls of steel). Buying at 1 cent is so brave, right?
And more then that, bitcoins of course are not stolen. At least that is not proved, so "knights" are clean.
And of course denying those "traders" to earn where others will definitely loose is a "SCAM EVER".
Feed this shit to somebody else
Jun-20 2011 08:12.
brian smith
Jun-20 2011 08:17.
Jason Southwell
Jun-20 2011 08:17.
Dee Brown
@Rickard Olsson
As for the tradehill "discount" its certainly true. The people who promote the site get a supper tiny portion of the already tiny commissions that are charged on trades. Affiliate marketing is nothing new and not a scam. Do you have an equal problem with mtgox.com NOT sharing any profit with its adopters? Mtgox is allowing us to SHARE in the LOSS of itself and a customer who is not so bright. I feel for him, but he is an idiot! I have been robbed before and I took it on the chin and made it back, smarter for the effort. I have suffered through ID theft, Deed fraud, Break ins, gun point robbery, white collar embezzlement, check fraud, credit card fraud, slip & fall fraud, and legal fraud committed by sleazy lawyers
If you feel that it is a smart thing to diversify your wallets, funds, and your market exchanges and should you choose to use tradehill.com I would be honored if you used my code when you sign up which gives you a small discount (5% or so) on your future trades and me (and potentially you) a small profit on those same trades that you will pay regardless if you use the code! (less than a penny on most trades to a referrer): TH-R14654
But not you Rickard Olsson because somehow the above is immoral because I might profit a few pennies a year? I know that is evil...but wait are you not on a bitcoin market site doing exchanges for profit?
Jun-20 2011 08:17.
brian smith
Jun-20 2011 08:18.
Nathan Rich
Jun-20 2011 08:19.
Asuka
Jun-21 2011 15:59.
hans
- i just watched skype tv marks answers if you read between the lines the have lost a lot of data...
Jun-21 2011 16:06.
elments
Everyone!
why do you think the mt gox guys keep stalling for two days now?It takes time to clear out the whole site. They already postponed several times now. People get worn out. tell us now that it the claim site will be up as soon as possible instead of giving an actual deadline just gives them more time to disappear. Which is the only smart move (not nice but smart). Whatever else they do will cause a dissaster for them - either they get sued by the ones who profited from the crash because the rollback nullifies their profits OR from the people who lost money during the crash. Each way they're screwed for the next couple of YEARS. ALTERNATIVE: grab as much as you can (which should be quite something for two bachelors considering the money which went into the market the last few months) and drink cocktails in Rio with a nice tanned brasilena. If you were around 30, single and had a shitload of money. Which one would you choose?
Jun-21 2011 16:07.
hans
- marks said on tv mt goxs opens end of he week
Jun-21 2011 16:11.
elments
Jun-21 2011 16:17.
Asuka
Jun-21 2011 16:38.
James
Jun-21 2011 16:42.
James
Jun-21 2011 16:48.
elments
Jun-21 2011 16:55.
BitchCoin Express
Jun-21 2011 17:27.
Krompir
Jun-21 2011 18:12.
Krompir
Jun-21 2011 18:14.
d
Jun-21 2011 18:19.
Krompir
@Asuka: I was reading your comments and mate sorry but you're so dump (no ofensse).
In one of the your comments you said "you are impatient".
Do you have a mind? Of course will be impatient, people has money there.
Jun-21 2011 18:28.
Hoom P.
Jun-21 2011 18:50.
J
Jun-21 2011 19:50.
Rassah
I hope people realize that @elements is just trying to make people panic so they sell their Bitcoin for cheap. He sounds like a lot of trolls currently on the forums that never had anything constructive to say other than "Bitcoin is fake money and is a failure, run run run." It's too bad people like Todd Morrill
Jun-21 2011 21:34.
Rassah
It's too bad people like Todd Morrill fell for it and sold, likely at a huge loss. Calm down. There's nothing wrong with Bitcoin itself. Also, the MtGox guys gave out their real names and faces, and the possible $100,000 to $500,000 that they made off their business is nowhere near enough for two 30-somethings to retire anywhere (i.e. elements is just a FUD troll)
Jun-21 2011 21:37.
lasagna
@ BitchCoin Expres:
BitCoin is not terminated you fool. Trade hill is one of many sites that had logins and passes synonymous with those who created accounts there.
They're just pissing in their pants, as they should be. As for Mt. Gox, after watching the silly webcast, being bullshitted back and forth, I can't wait till you fools open this site up.
We're all going to withdraw immediatey, and Mt. Gox is now known as NOT a safe place to conduct ANY business. Don't deduct that just because it's an alternate currency...you can still get robbed.
I do not believe anything Mark says, anything Mt. Gox says, and no longer trust anything having to do with this site. I'm sure many users feel this way. Just bring the site back up so we can get our money out.
You're jerking off a huge bunch of users who will eventually find a way to sue your ass, and your little bitcoin fortune will go bye bye.
Jun-21 2011 22:03.
elments
Jun-21 2011 22:05.
Funguy
@elements I would far rather them give very few updates and actually work on the problem rather than many updates and do nothing.... They did their best to keep the calm and probably thought the solution was easier than it was thus pushed the estimated completion time. I would far rather them take their time to make it right before opening things up to possible more loss. And no one is going to be sued because of the rollback, same crap happens in other markets all the time. Your clearly mad because you thought you were going to make it big on a false market drop, and now your not. In a disaster situation such as this, any completion time is only an estimate and can vary greatly especially when unforseen complications come up. And of course they can't tell you EVERYTHING their doing, if they did that would expose them to other possible attacks or intrusions. Bitcoin is a new currency and should be treated as such and their is a much greater potential for loss. People putting their money into bitcoin need to understand that they are going into uncharted waters throught with unknown dangers. Mtgox is not a bank either so storing massive amounts of bitcoin there is foolish. You know, I probably have lost a good chunk of hard earned cash, not mined bitcoin, that I put into MtGox but I also understand that there was a higher risk and I took that risk. elements, If you can't accept the risk of bitcoin, perhaps you should move to something more stable like forex or the stock market......
Jun-21 2011 23:09.
Rassah
- @elements: "People with a technical background know exactly how much it takes to do certain things."
People with actual technical backgrounds know that it's next to impossible to predict how long it takes to resolve IT issues.
@elements: "How do you expect customers who potentially lost their whole savings at mt gox (which I didn't) to react?"
So, here you basically admit that you're just spreading fear, and have nothing to lose yourself (but plenty to gain from people panicking and selling out). Yes, I've read your forum posts. Your "they're running to Brazil with your money!" theory isn't remotely amusing.
Mtgox people were live on the phone on sunday night, they were live on video chat last night explaining the situation, and MagicalTux posts frequently on the forums and replies on IRC. Where do you get the idea that "THERE IS NO COMMUNICATION WHATSOEVER?" As I said, FUD.
Jun-21 2011 23:20.
Jeff Harris
So Mt.Gox got hosed and is being recreated from scratch. Meanwhile, posers are crying about running to the hills, never doing business here again, moving to another trading source. Guess which exchange will be more secure from having a rewrite in the face of disaster? Anyone care to make a guess as to which exchange will get hacked next? With the Internet and high profile sites, it's not a matter if you will get hacked, it's when. Then, the same trolls will be out bemoaning the demise of bitcoin trading.
I for one, will keep trading with Mt.Gox because it promises to be more secure than any other exchange, but damn, I'm antsy to see how close my account is to the way I left it.
Jun-21 2011 23:21.
tran son lam
Jun-21 2011 23:27.
tran son lam
Jun-21 2011 23:29.
Hoom P.
Here's another one staying in Mt. Gox.
As Jeff says, this will be one of, if not the safest places to trade in Bitcoins...
Jun-21 2011 23:34.
Dennis
Oh no, bitcoins are doomed, were all going to loose a shit ton of money, START PANICKING, then sell all of your bitcoins (to me ... for pennies ... lol .. or you can just donate them to me and skip the sale). I hope mtgox comes back, makes their security better and possibly lowers the transaction fees for trading as a kind gesture for the downtime. If things dont go back to normal, well shit happens nothing you can really do about it now. Investing/Trading is kind of like gambling, you could loose it all at any given moment anyways.
Jun-21 2011 23:40.
Funguy
I'll definitely stay with Mt. Gox, but will be a bit more careful about how much BTC is held for lenghthy periods of time within any trade site. I realy did not have much held in Mt Gox until the night of the problems when I just so happened to bring in some cash to trade with. Bad luck on this one I say. On a note to Mt. Gox, you may want to start legal proceedings against your auditors as such a system breach is not acceptable in a job where you deal with sensitive data all the time.
Jun-21 2011 23:51.
Dennis
Jun-21 2011 23:55.
fed up btc sucka
Jun-22 2011 00:42.
hans
- @all guys i had a lot of mails with mark during the last hours - i was telling him the consequences what could possibly happen. last hour i was discussing the scenario wih our lawyers which have a sub in tokyo as well. i can tell you the reverse of the trades seems to be done because he confirmed my cash and even i received confirmation emails day before yesterday the cash side is not bokked. we are deciding now what to do. i had orders placed 2 weeks before because i felt that a crash wold be possible so i bought at 12 10 9 7 5 3 2 1
though i got confirmation by mtgox and they acting as a third party only for me he trades were legal. mark doenst agree. so give them a little credit and everybody has to decide to go for class action or whatever but remember its japan! if i were the guy kevin with 252k bct i surely would do so
Jun-22 2011 00:42.
hans
- but at least mtgox has to pay if bct opens at 10 and the last course was 17.45 keep you posted
Jun-22 2011 00:46.
hans
- but at least mtgox has to pay if bct opens at 10 and the last course was 17.45 keep you posted
Jun-22 2011 00:46.
James
Jun-22 2011 01:15.
Nezz
Jun-22 2011 01:21.
Tran Vu Duc
The password for this account is invalid, or this account is not currently under claim process.
I can't use my old password anymore, what've happend to my account?
Jun-22 2011 01:33.
Hoom P.
Jun-22 2011 01:37.
Funguy
I am getting the same message as many others here. Seems like my original password has been changed.... I am seriously concerned that anything I had is gone....... I am seriously getting pissed off now. I have had a ticket open for days now and nothing has happened to the ticket, nowt even acknowlegement that they even know it's there.
Jun-22 2011 01:38.
Neill Roelofse
Jun-22 2011 01:39.
CBH
anyone get this??
The new password is not secure enough. Security tips include using special characters, make the password longer, etc...
even tho i input a new and very complex password
Jun-22 2011 01:40.
Tran Vu Duc
Jun-22 2011 01:43.
BlueWall
Jun-22 2011 01:44.
CBH
@ Tran Vu Duc
so you got the same msg?
Jun-22 2011 01:44.
nelson
Jun-22 2011 01:44.
Tran Vu Duc
Jun-22 2011 01:46.
vickie totherow
Jun-22 2011 01:49.
Nezz
Jun-22 2011 01:50.
CBH
Jun-22 2011 01:52.
Rassah
Jun-22 2011 01:53.
vickie totherow
Jun-22 2011 01:53.
Rassah
Jun-22 2011 01:54.
Dennis
Jun-22 2011 01:55.
k_v_bitcoins
@CBH (and others) I also got the message "The new password is not secure enough. Security tips include using special characters, make the password longer, etc..." although my new password is VERY complex (over 25 chars, lowercase, uppercase, numbers & specials).
After some trial and error it seemed to require multiple different specials, or maybe some special chars are not accepted (or my typing is very bad).
However, i did manage to find a complex password that was accepted. My old password (also very complex and long) was also accepted (without any problems). I think i successfully got through the claim procedure.
So, please dont panic. The password conditions may be somewhat overly strict, but it does work.
Jun-22 2011 01:59.
Jaron Martin
Jun-22 2011 02:02.
CBH
Jun-22 2011 02:03.
Сергей Свириденко
Jun-22 2011 02:03.
CBH
Jun-22 2011 02:04.
CBH
Jun-22 2011 02:05.
Josh Shields
Recovery seems to have worked for me.
From the looks of it I imagine it will take a very long time for Mt. Gox to sort all of this out. They have to manually verify 60,000 accounts it seems. Those of you having trouble, just wait for the mountain of claims to start going through and I'm sure Mt. Gox will help you. Filing lawsuits certainly will only give them more to deal with, reducing the amount of time they have to work on claims.
Jun-22 2011 02:08.
Rassah
Jun-22 2011 02:08.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 02:09.
Nicholas Caito
Jun-22 2011 02:10.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 02:12.
CBH
Jun-22 2011 02:20.
Asuka
It took me a couple tries. But I got it. just waiting verification now.
and @kompir make sure if you are going to insult someone's intelligence, you can at least type some very basic words into a sentence. and not confuse dumb with dump. Thank you. See you all in the market!
Jun-22 2011 02:20.
Nicholas Caito
To all those in a panic: You don't need Mt. Gox *or* TradeHill. Not yet, at least. If you honestly believe in Bitoins, then you need to understand this is a marathon, not a race. Don't be in a hurry to cash out now. If you have coins, hold on to them. If you want coins, join a mining pool. These trade sites will get sorted out, eventually. No one knows if Bitcoins will be worth it in the end, so you shouldn't worry if things are a little crazy for a few days.
Jun-22 2011 02:21.
刘少俊
It just says "The password for this account is invalid, or this account is not currently under claim process.
Because hacker has changed it.
Jun-22 2011 02:21.
Nicholas Caito
Jun-22 2011 02:22.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 02:24.
Neill Roelofse
ye I call bullshit on the hacker changed anything, I was live trading up to the point it all went down and my account wasnt touched.
If anything got touched, it was after the service went down which would make no sense.
Jun-22 2011 02:25.
刘少俊
My situation is this!!!
17.5$/BTC
Jun-22 2011 02:29.
刘少俊
Jun-22 2011 02:30.
Stephane
Jun-22 2011 02:31.
Tran Vu Duc
Jun-22 2011 02:34.
Lennart Stolpe
Jun-22 2011 02:37.
J
Recovery procedure worked fine for me, not seeing any of those errors, only this "Your account recovery request is pending review by our staff."
So now begins the waiting time, really hope for all users of MT Gox that you can go into your account soon good luck to all!
Jun-22 2011 02:40.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 02:44.
刘少俊
Jun-22 2011 02:47.
Brian Wolfe
Jun-22 2011 03:05.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 03:06.
Neill Roelofse
Jun-22 2011 03:08.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 03:09.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 03:27.
hans
- guys if it says ... IS NOT CURRENTLY UNDER... means you need NOT to do anything you will be able to login after mtgox better if opens. mine was UNDER.... and it worked out.
Jun-22 2011 04:08.
Neill Roelofse
Jun-22 2011 04:10.
hans
- because mark confirmed correct amount of btc and cash but my trades had been canceled. so i guess the account which traded need to be reconfirmed and all ohers not.
Jun-22 2011 04:13.
Neill Roelofse
Jun-22 2011 04:14.
hans
- no i had emal contact and authorized myself via a copy of deposit by my bank, anyhow.... problems are time for mtgox to be online, canceled trades a policy i totally disagree and may sue mtgox as well losing a few days with he course falling.
Jun-22 2011 04:18.
hans
- @neil do you understand??? claim side! you haven not traded that day, true? so NOT UNDER etc.
Jun-22 2011 04:21.
Lord Fog
Jun-22 2011 04:25.
hans
Jun-22 2011 04:26.
Lord Fog
Jun-22 2011 04:27.
hans
- maybe i was just lucky worked 1st try
Jun-22 2011 04:29.
Sean
Can you guys assist me in getting to https://claim.mtgox.com/
in my browser (chrome) it just seems to be waiting for a response and nothing gets displayed, I'd like to recover my account as soon as humanly possible
I appreciate an immediate response if possible, thank you
Jun-22 2011 04:30.
Lord Fog
Jun-22 2011 04:31.
Neill Roelofse
Jun-22 2011 04:32.
Neill Roelofse
Jun-22 2011 04:33.
Lord Fog
Jun-22 2011 04:33.
hans
- @sean lets try live post if you are ready
Jun-22 2011 04:33.
Jens Heise
Jun-22 2011 04:52.
Sean
Jun-22 2011 04:52.
Sean
Jun-22 2011 04:57.
Lord Fog
I tried for 3 hours to get past Step 1 in that claim process. It's always the same: "invalid password or not under claim process". I tried various password lenght (10 - 20chars), alphanumerical, bolt, letter, Symbols again and again....no success. I was logged in until the lockdown that day so my account couldn't be hacked
Jun-22 2011 05:05.
Lord Fog
Jun-22 2011 05:08.
Keefe Johnson
Jun-22 2011 05:46.
Asuka
Jun-22 2011 05:54.
BitchCoin Express
Jun-22 2011 05:56.
BitchCoin Express
Jun-22 2011 05:57.
Asuka
Jun-22 2011 06:00.
Peter Darmouth
Jun-22 2011 06:12.
Neil
Is there an updated status ? Most people i talked to cannot even get a response from the claim website.
I understand that everyone is trying to access the page, but a 60k user base isnt that big, are there other problems ? DDOS ?
An updated status would save us the hassles of 'keeping on trying'
Thanks
Jun-22 2011 06:49.
hans
- might be down a week or 3
Jun-22 2011 07:12.
Bill
Jun-22 2011 07:21.
Bill
Jun-22 2011 07:22.
Keefe Johnson
Jun-22 2011 07:25.
k
Jun-22 2011 07:25.
Bill
Jun-22 2011 08:00.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 08:11.
ig0r
Jun-22 2011 08:11.
k
Jun-22 2011 08:15.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 08:17.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 08:17.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 08:17.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 08:17.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 08:17.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 08:17.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 08:17.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 08:18.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 08:18.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 08:18.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 08:18.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 08:18.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 08:18.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 08:18.
John
I got it all happening with zero errors just waiting on the ID side.
If you cant afford to loose in this game you shouldnt play. Its early days for something thats brand spanking new to this world of course there will be hickups and the big bankers cant have competition from bitcoin and I reckon thats why the mechanics of this hack is so strange the international banksters will try hard to stop this from maturing. So you whiners get out of bitcoin you dont have what it takes just yet, come back when its all nice and rosey for you.
Jun-22 2011 08:27.
k_v_bitcoins
Jun-22 2011 08:28.
Eric Olson
Ya mine says that as well. I think one post would have done. Keep in mind guys this isn't a stock market or national bank running this, it's just a small operation that I'm sure had no idea how fast it would grow. Yes, they should have been prepared for this, but it seems to me they are trying, lets give them a minute to get their shit together alright. If you need your money right this minute, you probably should not have invested it in anything. It isn't the end of the world or the end of bitcoin, it's just what happens when something grows faster than it is ready for.
Jun-22 2011 08:29.
Bill
Jun-22 2011 08:32.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 08:34.
Eric Olson
Jun-22 2011 08:34.
Guillaume DUCHENE
Jun-22 2011 08:34.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 08:35.
lasagna
Ok MOUNT COCKS, I've submitted your account recovery form. HOW FUCKING LONG DO I HAVE TO WAIT NOW?
Seriously you guys are pissing everyone off by the second. Just let us get to our fucking money.
Jun-22 2011 08:46.
lasagna
Jun-22 2011 08:47.
lasagna
Jun-22 2011 08:49.
Sean
You can ignore lasagna's rant.
The people at mt.gox are good people, if all our coins and currency are preserved within our accounts not only should all current members stick with mt.gox but we should encourage membership because they really handled this situation well despite what members might think they know contrary.
Jun-22 2011 08:52.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 08:53.
Bill
@John,
This isn't about being able to "afford" to play the game. This is about having my assets locked up by a company without hardly a mouse fart about what has happened and/or is happening. Their story is suspect considering the database leak and users complaining of their coins missing only days prior to the attack. They've even belittled and maybe even libeled their own customers in public forums? I don't know, I'm not a lawyer. It's unprofessional at the least or total incompetence at the worst. There is about something that is seriously wrong with the company. I want no part in it.
I want out of here as soon as possible. And I'm still waiting. Hear the crickets?
Jun-22 2011 08:53.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 08:54.
Hoom P.
Jun-22 2011 08:57.
k
You guys are so impatient, go do something else and come back later.
The sun still rises and sets - go for a walk or something.
Jun-22 2011 08:58.
Brandon
If you're having trouble with the "The password for this account is invalid, or this account is not currently under claim process," make sure you're entering your login username where it says "Login", not your email.
If you are using all the correct information.. good luck, I hope it gets figured out.
Jun-22 2011 09:15.
lasagna
Jun-22 2011 09:30.
Skull88
Learn to read people: or this account is not currently under claim process.
You don't have to do anything because your account is safe.
I didn't got this message, and probably because I buyed coins that day so my account needs to be rolled back. Relax, you probably will be asked when MtGox is back online to change your pass and that's it
Jun-22 2011 09:31.
lasagna
Jun-22 2011 09:31.
Asuka
Jun-22 2011 09:37.
Asuka
Jun-22 2011 09:38.
MMrS
IF YOU'RE GETTING THE MESSAGE "The password for this account is invalid, or this account is not currently under claim process":
Reload the claim form. Don't enter your password, someone probably changed it. Click "Check here if you forgot it" instead. Then provide as much proof as you can.
Jun-22 2011 09:43.
Asuka
Jun-22 2011 13:09.
BitCunt
- @Asuka you gay bro? I don't give a shit. Youre MtGox's very own tranny cheerleader.
Jun-22 2011 13:13.
Ace
Jun-22 2011 13:16.
BitCunt
- @AssSucka asked for it. He/she wants gender recognition. probably a "third gender" confused ladboy
Jun-22 2011 13:19.
firexware
Everyone give me your bitcoins!!!
1JSL2KgB8TohraH37Sitcfz7GKX4eTcA9D
I'll keep them safe, I promise!!!!
Jun-22 2011 13:27.
John
Jun-22 2011 13:32.
Z___
Everybody gets hacked. Banks, governments, nuclear plants. It is not a matter of if, but when.
The real difference is how the incident is handled. This incident has been handled in time, in a professsional way so far.
Keep up the good work! I do believe that now mtgox became the most secure bitcoin trading site for now.
Jun-22 2011 14:08.
Asuka
Jun-22 2011 14:44.
BitchCoin Express
Earlier today the EFF bailed on Bitcoin dropping it as a legitimate currency, no minor occurrence in Bitcoin's future to say the least.
Now Dwolla is halting all payments to and from Bitcoin exchanges. If you try to add funds via Dwolla to your TH account the notice pops up. I also confirmed this with Dwolla Customer Service.
This is the reason Tradehill has closed, effectively there is no way to turn Bitcoin into real USD at the moment.
Fortunately I was able to buy several hundred BTC when the price dropped below a dollar and get them into my wallet and even more fortunate I was able to sell them on TH before trading stopped.
Bitcoin is effectively dead as the confidence factor is nil right now.
It was a great concept and I really hope that the iteration of a virtual currency will learn from the errors made here.
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Jun-22 2011 14:55.
BitchCoin Express
Jun-22 2011 14:57.
Asuka
Jun-22 2011 15:03.
teamdren
Jun-22 2011 15:05.
Cody S
Jun-22 2011 15:10.
BitchCoin Express
I'm not a troll, bad news doesn't equal troll.
Just go to Google and search for EFF and Dwolla drop bitcoin.
I loved Bitcoin, it was a lot of fun and I will be a part of the next version of it when it happens.
Jun-22 2011 15:15.
BitchCoin Express
Jun-22 2011 15:19.
Asuka
Jun-22 2011 15:20.
Cody S
@BitchCoinExpress
No, actually they are back up as of 11AM it says.
I looked all over their website and don't see any announcement. Anyone that wants a discount can use it.
Jun-22 2011 15:24.
gehgeh tester
Unlikely, but if anybody believed Bitchcoin, I just used Dwolla to add funds to Tradehill.
Sorry, not dumping my coins better luck next time ;)
Jun-22 2011 16:54.
Bitcoin Beggar
@BitchCoinExpress Then use bitcoin7 ( http://is.gd/bSrSor ) or other exchanges instead of Tradehill. Its much faster, offers various payments and it is up and running... Nothing is dead yedt, just because some exchanges don't work any more...
Jun-22 2011 18:08.
EskimoBob
Mount Cocks, BitchCoin Express and all the other hysterical wimps, you need to see a Doc or take you prescribed medications.
BitchCoin Express and hes lapdog Mount Cocks are full of shit. Do not believe anything they write.
If you have questions, go to official mtgox IRC channel and ask.
Read about Dwolla and Bitcoin "Guest Post: The virtual currency debate, exchange and hysteria" http://www.siliconprairienews.com/2011/06/guest-post-the-virtual-cu...
Jun-22 2011 18:25.
k
Jun-22 2011 18:32.
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Jun-22 2011 18:48.
Hoom P.
A quick question..
After you fill in your details in the recovery process page, how long does it normally take for the follow up mail to be recieved so you can move to the next and final step, so to say?
Greatful for a quick response..
Thanx!
Jun-22 2011 18:56.
Sean
Jun-22 2011 19:24.
Hoom P.
Jun-22 2011 19:29.
BitCunt
@Sean thanks. At least we have some scope of time - from a user - who would expect MtGox to give us an idea? This place is still on my shit-list.
@Assucka how's that backpussy, stitches healing?
Jun-22 2011 20:15.
BitCunt
Jun-22 2011 20:17.
hans
- my info is mtgox will be closed 1-3 weeks. and please guys some of your post arent neither helpful nor funny. queston is how they get out without compensation if the course breaks down because of our frozen accounts
Jun-22 2011 20:51.
darkgamer
To all the people that like to mount cox, there is help and it's called gay.com. Maybe you can learn sex ed by playing your small wii or jacking off your friend and defecate where he pee. For everyone else MtGox will be back soon. Yes, it does suck balls that our shit was compromised. However, I look at it this way. Before Mtgox came along all we had was a market that would close and open the next day. These people said fuck all that, we want our shit 24/7 and helped spawn the other markets. From the sounds of it, their biggest mistake was that of trusting 3rd party to perform audits remotely rather than locally. It's a mistake that could effect anyone. Unlike sony, they responded at a decent rate. Because of the limits that they had and the fact they caught it pretty fast, saved a lot of people. In their defense, with the way that bitcoin is and the people that use it. It wouldn't be hard to learn that some people might go rouge and try to get money that much quicker. It also depends on the individuals motives behind it, some might try to collapse the whole thing. The important thing is that you learn and not make the same mistakes twice and also learn wtf is out there. Don't go so long without updating your shit and unless it's a 0day your pretty much safe.
Jun-22 2011 20:51.
Ivica Jovanovic
Check this bitcoin exchange site,a lot of trading going on here+great referral program-you can earn 20% of commission generated by your referrals:
https://www.bitcoin7.com/?ref=9256
Jun-22 2011 21:35.
Funguy
@BitchCoin Express The only thing that the EFF did was no longer accept bitcoin for donations, thats all....... They are mainly worried about the legality of the currency but why would it be less legal than say the Dwolla, because it's anonymous? Anyways, who cares if the EFF no longer accepts it for donations, it's not like EFF is running bitcoin or anything. To say people have lost confidence is completely wrong.. Trades are still up above $14.00 today which is still up $4.00 from three weeks ago. And if Tradehill is no longer accepting referral codes posted here on MtGox, it's because some idiots tried to take advantage of people here who are waiting for access to return to their accounts to boost their own profits. It's not MtGox that Tradehill has an issue with, it's the assholes trying to take advantage of people here.
Jun-22 2011 21:42.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 21:42.
Dee Brown
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I hear that so many are saying that the CIA would want to attack Bitcoin. That I really do not believe. I do believe that lettered organizations would love to get as much information as they could to able to effectively be able to influence or control the situation on some level...and know WHO has WHAT. The thing with intelligence agencies is that they deal in DARK markets and espionage, counter intelligence, and also have to be able to move money through front companies or other operations. For those agencies BITCOIN could possibly be the best thing since sliced bread. With a few exchanges and foreign countries available they will be able to move money without having to ship cargo planes full of cash on pallets. They can avoid audits by GAO and other congressional investigations into their legal and illegal operations. Like TOR and I2P (anonymous networks), it is THEY who benefit the most from a semi-anonymous fully developed decentralized stable market market place. It is not beyond the Pale to consider that they are the ones who actually developed the software or had something to do with it just like TOR. Banking is not going away, you will not get over board home loans anytime soon with a Bitcoin! Not at the level that would allow them to destroy the current banking system. That does not mean that in the much further future this will not be the case.
I DO believe that other lettered organizations WILL test the systems and servers hosting Bitcoin exchanges. Tax authorities around the globe certainly will hire contractors to do so. I suggest that the exchanges put up an entrance through tor/i2P to access accounts. These services are by their nature resistant to login and browsing analysis as well as DDOS attacks. Secondly, if they are ever ruled to be illegal and have to shut down operations in any given country...the TOR cloud will protect against that outcome (albeit others might have to front the operation).
Please make a TOR facing entry once you are up and running again. Clients will still be able to log on when the site is under normal web attack without effect!
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I would like to repeat, for those of you new to computer security, please use browser plugins which allow you to "Hash Your Passwords" (Passwod Hashr firefox, Hashpass chrome). These plugins will allow you to enter a simple password or phrase (can be the same) but it "salts" and changes the passwod: orange boxes to this on say yahoo: "R4-aEZKRTnGftMhbtGnmQ3o6", which is a pretty strong password! On another site the same password would be entirely different. True Crypt or any disk or folder encrypting system should be the place where your wallet and wallet files are stored. You mount the disk before you run the program and "dismount" it when you are done. Your wallet will never be stolen this way assuming you keep your browsers up to date and keep your computer virus/trojan free. We are entering a space and time of cloud transactions, users have to take more responsibilities on concerning their privacy and e-wallet security. Lastly, companies like mtgox.com should give us the option to see our logons, attempted logons, and allow us to restrict logons to certain IP ranges or addresses (non tor side). Possibly offer PIN and image verification for out transactions.
I still believe that one should diversify their digital holdings (pecunix, goldmoney http://goo.gl/SpxzU, C-gold, Bitcoin, etc.) You ALSO should diversify where you hold onto it! Do not limit your transactions or holdings to ANY ONE exchange! Presently I hold accounts at tradehill , B7, and here at Mtgox. I am not happy with the situation but I think they will actually become stronger for it. Better to skrew up now when small than later when ever Joe Schmoe is using it and the damages are in the tens of millions. THANK YOU FOR the 898 people who have signed up via my referral request! I have made a grand total of .27 cents! When it reaches a dollar I will donate the proceeds, I believe I will continue to do so. I want to create a fully banking compliant Bitcoin exchange in the line of Forex or TDameritrade.com I will use proceeds from your sign ups to the other trades or any gifts you make to paypal or Dwolla to fund that operation. You can make Dwolla.com donations to: http://goo.gl/6hBte (even a dollar helps), Bitcoin Address for donations to fund: 15uY7iGkYspLUNf8tKFshd7n6BKome18hC by keeping the donation number the same you can check that I am not lying about funds received, held, or when they get spent.
The Project will be open source in the sense of Android but for digital exchanges which we intend to make it the central community market place fully open and transparent in operations as well as Holdings.
We will only get the system we are willing to build with our blood, sweat, and tears...and yes pockets! After this message every scam artist will offer something up to get at your money so be careful. We are going to host the initial project on www.digitalcurrencyfoundation.com (coming soon). Donations of about 10usd and above will get the project off the ground the quickest. If you donate via bitcoin, send an email later with the address and amount you paid from...this project will be community owned from the portions of the donations submitted for those who want ownership...after founding you will be contacted.
We have already received a donation from www.frimobil.se the Swedish Global iPhone unlockers for €1,500.00 (also hosting space) and www.aziphoto.se for €300.00. If you are in the need for those services please support those companies! If you do not want to donate but indirectly support sign up to:
bitcoin7.com with our account code: 7393 Tradehill: TH-14654 Thank you for the almost thousand signups so far (but .27 will not go far!)
if you have any suggestions criticisms please post it on the community forum which will be up by the end of this week on the site.
All communication from us will be singed with a pgp signature on site and off.
Thank you guys for your support...Lets build the exchange, tools, and community we need to thrive together!
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Jun-22 2011 22:14.
hans
- oh nice funguy still using his atari
Jun-22 2011 22:16.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 22:42.
EskimoBob
Looks like every bottom feeding scam artist is trying to get a bite from this unfortunate event. How low can ass sniffing trolls and scammers go!
First they give you some copy/paste advice and then try to stick a tradeslow referral number up your ass.
Dee Brown, at the moment, nobody has donated any BTC to your scam! :)
Jun-22 2011 23:07.
Uncle Mantis
Jun-22 2011 23:14.
Funguy
Jun-22 2011 23:24.
Uncle Mantis
Jun-22 2011 23:31.
b o
The "reclaim account" process first part seemed to work ok after I figured out that they want a really long PW in addition to the complexity requirements:
uppercase = ABCDEFGHI...
lower case = abcdefghi...
Numeric = 12345...
special character = % ^ +=_-)(}{"?...
If you believe you have all the complexity requirements covered and it still does not work, then try to make a PW that uses every visible space in the "new password" text box (I think it is around 17 character).
I am now in the waiting stage of the process.
Jun-22 2011 23:32.
Funguy
@Uncle Mantis, your being the troll by posting your referral crap. Perhaps a legitimate question, but clearly a troll. Therefore, even though I have an answer for you I choose to withhold it. And by the way, this is a forum for MTGox, not Dwolla, so go ask elsewhere even though your flapping lips do amuse me.....
Jun-22 2011 23:38.
Uncle Mantis
Jun-22 2011 23:48.
Krompir
Jun-22 2011 23:53.
hans
- what i dont like is beeing kept short on updates by mark mtgox longer than 14 h -i repeat i heard 1-3weeks process
Jun-23 2011 00:06.
Dee Brown
@EskimoBob
"Dee Brown, at the moment, nobody has donated any BTC to your scam!"
Yes EskimoBob, I just recently created and posted that payment address( Bitcoin transaction ID) so people could watch instead of doing it privately through my personal bitcoin wallet which I have received .65 bitcoins in donations soon to be transferred to that address.
I have registered the domain as I stated and it will be up shortly. Like I said if you are not interested do not donate. Nay say. Be critical, its welcomed! Right to the companies I submitted and ask them to confirm their donations (one Dwolla the other moneybookers.com) I guess they preferred the non anonymous route. I am not interested in scamming anyone but I agree, trust little. It costs you nothing to do what you already where going to do...sign up to an exchange with a referral code.
I am not trying to be anonymous but if you believe that everybody who comes up with an idea is a scam artist then their is nothing I can say to you. Those who have signed up know that they signed up and registered. If you think an businessman is capable of doing what I said and not being greedy than support! ASK questions. Just slandering me as a scam artist is not constructive. Its simple, I am a business man and an investor who sees an opportunity to help ourselves. I believe we should take it upon ourselves and be open. I am capable with the communities help of making it happen. Some will choose to be apart many will not.
@EskimoBob if you have constructive criticism or questions offer them, I said this was about community! I just want to create something we all can benefit from together. I look forward to hearing from you. Give me a day to upload something to a server and start a forum so as not to spam this one!
Jun-23 2011 00:12.
Snoleo
Now requesting to recover your Mt.Gox account has been started.
But since my account has been stolen 5 hours before the "big compromised account incident", now I even cannot request to recover my MtGox account.
I know mtgox has some urgent affairs to handle right now. But it should also set up a way for the users like me to request for recovering the account.
I have post a request to report my stolen account before the the "big compromised account incident". Now 3 days passed, no answer no email. This request is set to Urgent Priority but no one has even given me a reply.
We pay transaction fees to mtgox, I think we deserved to have an account recovery service. But now the fact is that someone entered my account, changed my email address, changed my passwd. And I even do not know whether the fund or the btc is still in my account or not.
When mtgox website open again, I still cannot login to my account. If the price rises, I cannot sell. If the price drops, I cannot buy. I think this is also another lost brought by mtgox.
Do not forget the users just like me.
At least offer a way to handle this problem.
I can provide the proof the I am actually the owner of this account.
Jun-23 2011 00:14.
Uncle Mantis
Jun-23 2011 00:18.
Funguy
Jun-23 2011 00:22.
Funguy
Jun-23 2011 00:23.
Dee Brown
Jun-23 2011 00:31.
Uncle Mantis
Jun-23 2011 00:31.
Sean
Jun-23 2011 00:58.
Atropos
@Uncle Mantis and everyone who uses TradeHill at least temporary until MtGox is back:
Why doing it 2-way, when you can have it all for yourself:
First create an account and use it's referral code to create another (the main) account.
Now using your second account you save a percentage in commision.
Furthermore, your first account receives a percentage of the commision on your second account.
BTW I'm going to stick with MtGox.
TradeHill and other exchanges are very young in comparison with MtGox.
The same shit might very well happen with those exchanges when their volume and users and thus the potential gain for hackers continue to grow.
After all the dust has settled here, I think MtGox will be more secure.
Jun-23 2011 01:21.
Dee Brown
@Atropos
Great idea...did it myself! Gotta get the least commission right! lol
I am going to stick with mtgox.com also. Shit happens, they are doing what is necessary to keep it from happening again...I am good with that.
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I still have not been able to start the process to restore my account, still getting the no account/ password error! Any suggestions? Of course I wrote support and opened a ticket (48hours) but maybe their is something that I have missed?
Thanks in advance for any assistance guys.
Jun-23 2011 01:28.
Sean
Doesn't tradehill have shared hosting?
Sticking Mt Gox too, recruiting a few others when it's back up
Jun-23 2011 01:28.
Funguy
And Tradehill's captcha can still be brute force hacked. Captcha is really outdated now. I imagine MtGox will be increasing the security measures for accounts. What I am curious to know is why none of these bitcoin exchanges seem to use a pin # or such required before initiating exchanges, deposits, or withdrawals. I am actually quite impressed with Liberty Reserve's authentication methods and am surprised none of these bitcoin exchanges have taken a similar approach to their security. Be interesting to see MtGox when it comes back up and what new authentication if any is applied. It's really gotta be more than login/pw/captcha and kablam! account fully open for a hacker to do what they please.
Jun-23 2011 02:06.
Uncle Mantis
Jun-23 2011 02:10.
James
- Does anyone know if a claim is accepted are we notified if it was approved ?
Jun-23 2011 02:19.
Ivica Jovanovic
Jun-23 2011 02:23.
Funguy
Jun-23 2011 02:31.
Sean
Jun-23 2011 02:52.
Dennis
Jun-23 2011 02:52.
Toni
Jun-23 2011 02:56.
Funguy
Jun-23 2011 02:57.
Dennis
Jun-23 2011 03:03.
Toni
Well I emailed just in case, even tho I doubt some hacker could have proved more proof.
I just wish they would have informed about the possible delay on top of that 24 hours, their mailbox is going to be flooded by the time they wake up over Japan :p
Jun-23 2011 03:09.
Funguy
Jun-23 2011 03:10.
Krompir
Jun-23 2011 03:45.
Funguy
Jun-23 2011 04:52.
Decapitatedkm
If your pass in the leaked database was simple and you used it on another (bitcoin related especially) sites, be careful.
Someone tried to stole my pool mined btc and some acc settings were changed, but fortunately slush's pool requires email confirmation to change wallet.
I glad Mtgox at least contacted google about that.
Jun-23 2011 05:32.
brian smith
Jun-23 2011 09:48.
Bill
@Charles At this point it's anyone's guess. Why? BECAUSE THEY WON'T SAY ANYTHING. No updates, No eta. Jack-squat. They are doing this to themselves.
It only takes a minute or two to update a fucking 24 hour old update.
I wonder how many people would just be sitting idly by if their bank froze their accounts and said NOTHING but, "well we are looking into it." No, you find another bank when you get your money back. It's bullshit. These are my assets. They can kiss my ass when this is all over.
Jun-23 2011 09:49.
brian smith
Jun-23 2011 09:49.
Rassah
MtGox people were on IRC quite a few times today, answering questions. Had you actually checked around forums or IRC, instead of just sit here and bitch, you'd know what was going on.
Jun-23 2011 09:52.
brian smith
Jun-23 2011 09:54.
HamWallet
Jun-23 2011 09:54.
Bill
Jun-23 2011 09:55.
HamWallet
Jun-23 2011 09:56.
Rassah
@BitCunt: MT was on IRC earlier today, answering questions. They're working on it, and are planning on "postponing" verification of "certain" accounts until July 18th. Otherwise they are writing a completely new trade platform to use, and chucking the old one in the garbage, cause it was apparently crap. Takes some time, but hopefully will be up later this week.
Jun-23 2011 09:58.
HamWallet
Jun-23 2011 09:58.
Rassah
Jun-23 2011 09:59.
HamWallet
Jun-23 2011 09:59.
HamWallet
Jun-23 2011 10:00.
Rassah
Jun-23 2011 10:02.
HamWallet
Jun-23 2011 10:06.
Bill
@Rassah, actually they do. If they want to keep me as a customer. Not only that, they owe me my assets. Again, welcome to the real world. Fuck off.
Jun-23 2011 10:06.
Bill
@Rassah, loves to hang out all day on IRC and chat with ghosts. What are you 16, 17? Responsible companies don't handle their fucking business on IRC. Again, Fuck off.
Jun-23 2011 10:08.
HamWallet
Jun-23 2011 10:10.
Rassah
@Bill, why would they do anything to try to keep you as a customer? You are a very difficult customer, and are obviously never going to do business with them again. If I was in their position, I would make sure to only do the very bare minimum for you, just barely enough to keep me out of jail/court.
Actually, I'm 12 and live in my parents' basement, so i have plenty of time to hang out on IRC. Especially now that its Summer break.
Jun-23 2011 10:29.
Bill
@Rassah Obviously something isn't sticking in that thick head of yours. I'm not the only one. There are many all over the Internet that no longer want any part of this. I was actually willing to listen to them. They've said NOTHING and deserve nothing. And no I'm not searching all over the fucking Internet to get answers. This is where their domain leads so answers should be here.
So you are for someone stealing someone's assets until this becomes a legal matter? Good to know. I can now write you off as a 15 year old kid that doesn't know anything about business and pr.
You obviously know nothing. Again, fuck off.
Jun-23 2011 10:37.
JoeBloe
Jun-23 2011 10:39.
james
Jun-23 2011 11:00.
Bill
@Joe, I think they'll be forced too. I'm guessing they'll lose minimum 15k users because of this clusterfuck and their inability to handle it properly. Next question is, "Are they liquid enough to handle that loss?"
Jun-23 2011 11:01.
james
Jun-23 2011 11:02.
Bill
Jun-23 2011 11:04.
james
Jun-23 2011 11:05.
Bill
Jun-23 2011 11:09.
Sean
Idk if I just noticed this entry on my status on my recovery page, I'll quote "If you do not receive the email after 48 hours (see above) please contact us so we can look into your claim request
So yeah basically pending 2 days after your request, we should hear a response, I have until the end of tomorrow. I honestly cannot say I'll be counting on mt.gox to deliver on this time frame but I obviously have no ground to stand on to make my account imperative. However I'm not going to let it get to my nerves, that'd be even a greater loss.
Jun-23 2011 11:21.
Rassah
@Bil if you think I'm 15, thanks, that's a compliment. MtGox guys were live on onlyonetv, answering questions two days in a row. They sent out email updates. They have posted updates to this site every day. What the hell more do you want? You asking them to go fuck themsels wont speed things up, and you bitching so much is only a reflection of yourself.. You know what? Nevermind. Keep whining like a pussy. You should be free to show everyone who you are.
Jun-23 2011 11:28.
Bill
@Rassah, don't need your permission. Thanks anyways, fuck off.
Lol. I love the amount of people that think this is appropriate behavior for a company. Some of you bitcoiners really don't know anything about how a real business should operate do you? Just blind faith. Trust me, this isn't how. You'll learn that once you move out of mommy and daddy's basement.
Jun-23 2011 11:36.
John Buhta
Jun-23 2011 11:43.
Ace
When we have received enough reclaim requests, a follow up email with further instructions on how to access your account will be sent out.
Enough requests? What a crock. What's up with that Mt Gox. How many is "Enough", huh? Why isn't "one or more" enough.
Oh that's right because you haven't burned through all my money on hookers and blow yet.
Jun-23 2011 12:40.
HamWallet
@ Rassah:
Rassahole, you seem to think that Mark and his idiot cohort on onlyonetv was "ANSWERING QUESTIONS?" that shit was a blundering, stupid clusterfuck. Mark was shitting his pants clearly. MtGox does not send out email updates. MtGox does not post updates to this site every day. Where the fuck are you coming from with this shit? WE have to DREDGE through this site for answers. You can fuck yourself looking in the mirror for a reflection. You should be put into an all - male rape room so you can show everyone there, who you are. You're not only 15, or 12 or whatever, you're a fucking amoeba. Wake up and smell the blow and hooker pussy that your champions, MtGox, are enjoying. You're a waste of skin get the fuck off my internet lawn.
Jun-23 2011 12:54.
HamWallet
Jun-23 2011 12:55.
HamWallet
Jun-23 2011 13:06.
Rassah
@BitCunt At the top of this very page, I'm seeing one or two updates a day. Do you have no other life that you MUST HAVE SOME UPDATES NOW? When companies get hacked, they need time to get things fixed. How long did it take for Sony to bring their network back up, and how often were they posting updates? I'm sure regardless of the answer, you were bitching and calling them shitty faggots as well. No, I don't trust MtGox, and I never did. They are a business they are am only trusting as much as I know about that, and that's how I treated them when I used them for all my trades (a few grand worth btw). But I understand that when something this severe happens, you don't fix it in a day or two. I'm actually somewhat surprised they're bringing it back up already (Again, Sony took HOW long? and got promptly hacked AGAIN). And yes, I will continue to do business with them if they show that they have much better security features on their new site, but I still won't trade more than I can afford to lose, lest I become a whiny baby like you guys.
And by the way, I would love to be in a male rape room, too. Bring it on. Though I'm not an amoeba.
Jun-23 2011 13:16.
HamWallet
@ Rassah how much of the one brain cell that you have left - did you burn out writing that clusterfuck? You're seeing updates in IRC because you're a teenager. Do I have a life? Yes. You do not.
Fuck Sony as it has nothing to do with this, completely different scenario. I bet you didn't know that Sony did not even have a position for CIO of IT Security. That's because you're too busy wiping the semen off your controllers. MtGox is not a business, it's a fucking crock. I love how you consider yourself as "doing business". You haven't the slightest idea of what a business is, a business model is, or even what MtGox is. So do us all a favor, go back to your Gaystation 3 and pop in that Powerbottom Champion. Your place is in your parent's basement, and you have made it very clear that you have extremely limited knowledge. You have also made it clear that you'd like to be raped by men. On that note, fuck off, get fucked, and stop trying to prove something that you know NOTHING about. MtGox is not a "company" you assclown! "A few grand worth of trades btw"? You mean a few grand of pennies in a pile? Who you kiddin, child
Jun-23 2011 13:22.
joshua dario
Jun-23 2011 13:28.
Rassah
@BitCunt: Dear Grandpa. Find the key on your keyboard that reads "Page Up." Press it a few times. After a while, you will see things like [Update - 3:45 GMT]If you look through the clock times, you'll see there's pretty much an update a day. No I don't have a life, but that's my problem. I'm also not on here all day long complaining and cursing at the people who don't give a crap.
I agree, fuck Sony. I'll stick with my Dreamcast. But you're right, I don't understand what "doing business" with someone means. I assumed it was participating in an mutually beneficial exchange of a transaction or something. But I guess I was wrong. I will defer to your knowledge of what constitutes a business. You already have excellent business communication skills, from what I gather. And yes, my place is in my parent's basement, which is why I can come here so often and post. Why are you here? Regardless, I wish I could "fuck off" or "get fucked," but being a 12 year old amoeba, that's not entirely legal. And to clarify, a few grand of lolipops. Duh.
Jun-23 2011 13:32.
hans
Jun-23 2011 13:47.
~
@ bitcunt
i find it interesting that you claim to have a life, a real life that means you can't sit on either this site, or irc waiting for updates, and yet, you've posted more on this topic here than anyone.
and, from the timestamps, you're on here an average of once every hour, every day.
from your responses, you must take the time to look through the posts others make, and analyse them for the smallest mistake you can use to launch a somehow fecally related attack against them. never mind that you have little of value to add to the conversation, you're simply content to bang on about how much you love mtgox, wish you were a cheerleader, love bill so much, and fixate on excrement.
i'm aware this adds nothing to the topic, but man... bill and bitcunt have really been spamming this up, making it difficult to see other peoples problems, and the assistance rendered to them by members of the community who can do more than whine about their constipation.
Jun-23 2011 13:57.
~
wait, let me point out that your forthcoming retaliation of "learn to use the shift key noob, get off the internet before you hurt yourself" is unnecissary, as i do not care.
thanks.
Jun-23 2011 13:59.
HamWallet
@~ I find it even more interesting that you decided to analyze my posts like some obsessive stalker.
"other people's problems" sorry, you must have that confused with THE problem, MT GOX. (golf clap) go fuck yourself.
Jun-23 2011 14:01.
HamWallet
Jun-23 2011 14:02.
~
@bitcunt
university holidays, and i was bored.
like you, and all of us, i have some money tied up here, and would like to see it all sorted out in an equitable manner. i only chose to pick on you because you've been raising your head so high above the other people here who have nothing better to do than swear at others. bill used to, but he's cooled off a bit recently, whereas you have not. so, that's why you're being picked on. sorry mate, maybe go tell the teacher?
no, other people's problems is exactly what i meant.
some are struggling with the claim form, others with the lack of updates from mark.
you, well... you are just here to annoy people, and that helps nobody.
there is no doubt that the primary problem is that mtgox has something wrong with it.
believe what you wish, i don't care either way, he's halfway to brazil, or he's in japan slaving away trying to fix the issue. again, i don't care, if he ends up in brazil, whatever, you play the game, you might get burnt. lesson learned, and i'll be more careful next time.
but what if he's in japan, working to help sort all this out?
won't you just be a total cunt if you wake up tomorrow, and hey - look at that - all you're money's there. all your shitstorming and raging was directed at a guy who was trying to help you.
wow, i bet your friends love you... but last time i checked, acting like you are to people who try to help is a pretty good way to drive them away.
good luck in life, cos with your attitude, you really need it.
Jun-23 2011 14:11.
SC
Jun-23 2011 14:16.
~
thanks for proving my point that you:
a) have no life and thus can spend excessive amounts of time here waiting for new posts (see the 2 minute lag between my original post and your retaliation)
and
b) have no real comeback too what i said (as exhibited by " it's "unnecessary" you fucking primate."
well done sir, you clearly win at life.
Jun-23 2011 14:17.
~
Jun-23 2011 14:20.
HamWallet
just because BitCunt is right, and it enrages you, doesn't give you the go-ahead to start oozing babble out of your weeping manpussies.
don't hate, appreciate. You'll be fucked in the end dealing with MtGox while BitCunt told ya so.
Jun-23 2011 14:39.
SC
Jun-23 2011 14:51.
SC
Jun-23 2011 14:53.
Bill
Jun-23 2011 14:54.
~
@bitcunt... sorry, my mistake, @hamwallet, kindly show me where i become angry, i'd really love to see it.
also - show me where i have 'gay rage' and why i'm 'mad for [SC]'
that'd be nice.
also - if bitcunt is right, how does that make my life better? raging does nothing. raging won't get your money back. if mark's in brazil, how'd sueing going to help?
why get pissed off when you don't need to?
Jun-23 2011 14:54.
Bill
Jun-23 2011 14:55.
SC
@ - Dont even bother with these pricks. They're likely the same immature cunt anyway.
I don't even deal with MtGox and never have, but i don't go around the support page SPAMMING whole pages for the WHOLE day and insulting everyone else. If you don't like MtGox or disagree with people then you shouldn't constantly post SHIT all the time and act like a moron. The guy is the most sad and pathetic person i've come across, he must literally have no life.
Jun-23 2011 15:00.
~
@sc
i agree bro, he's probably reading this and just waiting, thinking "i'll come on in half an hour and be like ha! i've been working hard at my real job and banging my totally hot girl, which i totally didn't pay for."
so, with that in mind, i'd just like to say this
hi bitcunt!
Jun-23 2011 15:21.
JJL Law Firm
"Users whose trades were effectively cancelled during the the sell-off will be able to trade for free for 1 month following the reopening, and will also receive a free subscription to our upcoming 2-Step security authentication feature for as long as they hold their account.
Giving customers unequal treatment after the loss of sensitive information such as a password is a very dangerous game. I recommend taking legal action if MtGox does not give free trades to all customers with accounts created before the security breach. This is an outrage that there would only be a "discount" given (that is worse than other exchanges offer at this very moment) while other customers are given free trades. By giving free trades, you're changing the market in their favor. People trading should all have an equal playing ground. 0.3% is truly a slap in the face.
Jun-23 2011 15:32.
Lisa Jackson
LIES!!
On the bitcoin show we were told that ALL CUSTOMERS WITH LEAKED PASSWORDS would receive this compensation, but instead Mtgox is only giving the free trades and the extra security to people who had a 0.01 trade canceled on them?? WTF?
My bank account was EMPTIED OUT and there's nothing I can do about it. My entire life savings is gone because they promised privacy and security. This ruined my life. If all customers do not receive the free trades and extra security, I will be contacting Mtgox regarding a legal matter (I will post the results of the hearings publicly).
Jun-23 2011 15:40.
Lisa Jackson
@Bill - Apparently only people who's trades were canceled are worthy of these benefits. If you didn't get lucky enough to have one outstanding trade at the time this happened, you will get screwed out of this market.
I hope everyone realizes that there's a HUGE difference between free trades and a discounted trade. This can potentially break the market if there are 2 tiers of trading that are so drastically different.
Please post below if you would be interested in a class action law suit because of the extra security given to certain affected members and the unfair commission advantage.
Jun-23 2011 15:44.
hans
- @Lisa i am interested - had orders and got confirmation mails from mtgox alltogether ca. 800 bct at average of 2.21 us
Jun-23 2011 16:07.
hans
- and remember they have a daughter company in the us which is not directly involved but may be indirectly owner is mark
Jun-23 2011 16:08.
EskimoBob
Jun-23 2011 16:46.
joshua dario
Jun-23 2011 16:51.
Asuka
@joshua and professional security IT firms too huh?
its easier to see others mistakes and short comings than it is your own...
look at BitCunt for example.... or any other website that was hacked by Lulzsec
its always gonna be that way
Jun-23 2011 16:59.
joshua dario
Jun-23 2011 17:09.
hans
- dude i know some real guys during 1995 in sweden and met them face ro face - hes not in that league
Jun-23 2011 17:09.
John
Jun-23 2011 17:18.
Staffan Finn
Jun-23 2011 17:19.
Krompir
Jun-23 2011 17:26.
jc
So I've been watching this thread for a while now, but this is my first comment. Please don't swear at me if you disagree with what I am about to write.
I, like many others on this forum, work in IT based projects and have do so for quite sometime. I mention this so that when I say Business DO act like this, you understand I am not making this up. I am constantly surprised by how understanding clients are when things go wrong. Some times I feel horrible when I have to report bad news to a client, but the clients generally act assertively and are sometimes actually happy that I am keeping them informed. I think that Mt Gox could do more to manage the expectations that we, the customers, have, but I don't think they are taking too long to fix things. People who demanded the site to be up within a day need to think about the work that is involved in doing so, and remember that this is the real world, not a hobby or uni code project and that it needs to be severely tested before it is deployed.
I don't have large amounts of funds invested in MtGox--Certainly, no more than I am prepared to lose. The good thing about this is that while I am eager to begin trading again, I am not too emotional about the topic. I feel that some people here are too emotional and probably should calm down before they continue to post. Also, if you make an unfounded accusation, especially if it causes a loss of business than you may be guilty of libel. I am not a lawyer, and I believe a lot of people on this site who claim to be lawyers are lying, but just be careful there.
And, while we should all be more constructive, the notion of Mt GOX later selling a security service (as indicated in their last post) is slightly offensive.
My 2c. Thanks for reading.
Jun-23 2011 17:36.
js
I get the impression that Mt.Gox think they give out more information about the situation than they actually do.
The problem as I see it is that they jump between forums, email, helpdesk, IRC etc. and spread out small pieces of information to different people.
They need to put all information on one single place and update regularly, not
Mt.Gox leaves far to much up to speculation!
Jun-23 2011 18:22.
js
hmm... some text was cut out.
I get the impression that Mt.Gox think they give out more information about the situation than they actually do.
The problem as I see it is that they jump between forums, email, helpdesk, IRC etc. and spread out small pieces of information to different people.
They need to put all information on one single place and update regularly, not
Mt.Gox leaves far to much up to speculation!
Jun-23 2011 18:23.
js
- third try...
I get the impression that Mt.Gox think they give out more information about the situation than they actually do.
The problem as I see it is that they jump between forums, email, helpdesk, IRC etc. and spread out small pieces of information to different people.
They need to put all information on one single place and update regularly, not necessarily at a fast pace but at a regular and reliable interval.
Even more importantly; they should inform us about what steps they intend to take and an estimated schedule of events. If the schedule does not hold, fine, update it, but we want to know what is going on!
Mt.Gox leaves far to much up to speculation!
Jun-23 2011 18:23.
Andreas
hi there,
as js, i kept on watching this thread over the last days without commenting it -i even just registered yesterday to the help desk. i feel the discussion here became far too emotional and i dislike discussions only consisting of insulting others and calling names. although i clearly understand, that regarding the underlying circumstances, emotions come up necessarily. being emotional is legitimate - insulting people is not. so i would appreciate, if the further discussion would be more profound and less annoying. (sry for that, but i just felt the need to state this...). i agree with js, selling the upcoming 2-step security feature is offending all of us, that have by now their personal data widely spread around the internet. there might be a fee on the new security feature for those that have never registered to mtgox before, but it is not right to make all of us suffering again. i do not care about the trading fees so much, but clearly i think unequal fees are also illegitimate.
Jun-23 2011 19:10.
Sean
This 2 step security feature should be standard practice for all users, it's offensive to us for them to think about their own pockets at this time especially when most of us don't know if our account savings are protected and hadn't been tampered with. Those who traded during this incident and those who didn't were both affected and there must be a better balance in compensation regarding this madness.
Jun-23 2011 19:50.
hans
- @all - my major problem is: we dont know the whole story yet! and there are a lot of lies going around! who in the world would have 500k bct worth 8 mio us in a internet platform? and also using a easy breakable pw? maybe it was mtgox own account
Jun-23 2011 21:18.
Rassah
Hmm, yeah, seems a bit screwy to give the SMS security authentication option for free for life to those who just happened to have buy orders set too low. I understand charging a fee for the extra step to those who wish to hold a lot of money, since giving it to all accounts will likely not cover it with the 0.65% fees from small traders, but, for free for life to those who weren't actually hacked?
Jun-23 2011 21:45.
Tom Sanders
Hey guys, I made a little guide to help you understand these complicated forms of compensation.
Had a buy order during the hack? --------> Free trades for 1 month + better account security for life!
Had your password stolen and bank accounts compromised, effectively ruining your entire online profile everywhere? --------> A coupon good for trades for 0.3% discounted rate for a whole 2 weeks!
That should clear up any confusion. I know a lot of people were worried that they would be getting equal treatment. Fortunatly Mtgox understands that having a password leaked to the world does not affect you NEARLY as much as having a trade for $0.01 cancelled. If your bank account and email stolen, it's not like you'll have any money or time left to be buying bitcoins for the next 2 weeks anyway.
/sarcasm
So why exactly are people with buy orders preferred customers? Everyone lost their passwords, yet only some are being "properly" compensated.
Jun-23 2011 21:53.
Ace
Jun-23 2011 21:57.
Rassah
@Ace, hey said 24 hours to go as of last night, so some time tonight. Read the updates up top, since I doubt anyone important is reading your demands down here.
Jun-23 2011 22:02.
Dieter Grosz
Could you guys give me some feedback ?
I went through the reclaim process (Step1 -> recieved Mail -> Step 2 providing proof) but since then didn't hear anything from them. Now I'm a bit confused because they say they are going to re-open tomorrow "already" and I still didn' hear anything...
how about you ? Who did already successfully complete the reclaim-process and who else is stuck after Step2 like myself ?
Jun-23 2011 22:14.
Andreas
@hans: that is really the biggest unanswered question and i also do not believe these 500k btc belonged to one single account. unfortunatly i only can share my own unproven assumption on this issue. i think the 500k btc stolen and sold were the virtually existing mtgox-bitcoins - the real existing mtgox-bitcoins were recently stored offline (this would match with the reported huge transaction on the block-explorer).
But how would it be possible by compromising an auditors account with read-only access to copy the hole database? maybe i do not understand this right, but does read-only not mean copying and writing are impossible?
And therefore would sql-injection not be a bit more plausible to explain the theft of the hole database (as well as the huge selloff)?
As said, these are my own assumptions on the issue and maybe they are completely wrong. But i am also not really satisfied with the given explanation by mtgox - very unlikely a single user account with 500k btc.
@Dieter Grosz: my request is also pending review. the 48h for me are over in about 3.5 hours. so i will wait and then write another mail on the helpdesk.
Jun-23 2011 22:42.
~
@Andreas,
my understanding is that read only access means that the original file cannot be altered, however i do not believe there is anything to stop copies of the original file (database) being made, and altered.
so, hacker breaks auditor account, copies database to their computer, does magical hacker things and rapes us all. at least, that's how i think the whole thing works, but i'm probably wrong :)
Jun-23 2011 22:58.
Nick
@Dieter Grosz: I am also in "Your account recovery request is pending review by our staff
How are you all on withdrawn funds to SEPA / Euro-accounts from just before the crash? My last successful one cleared in 2 days (on June 16), but am still waiting for the withdrawals I made on the 17th and 18th.
Jun-23 2011 22:59.
Richard Weston
Tux,
Thanks for the trading discounts. I am just praying, like many others, that I can successfully log in 13 hours from now.
Best of success on your relaunch.
Jun-23 2011 23:08.
Andreas
Jun-23 2011 23:20.
BitchCoin Express
Hey Mark,
Everything you are doing is plainly obvious, it's stalling.
There is no technical reason you need to be closed for a week, zero, none, nada....not one.
You don't have the funds to cover the massive withdraws that are going to happen when you open, it's clear!
Under Japanese law you haven't committed a crime till that happens
and I think this whole hacking episode was manufactured to cover the fact you have spent money you shouldn't have.
Yes I admit it is speculation, but I think you bet on Bitcoin rising higher, spent the money and got in a jam.
The deposits could not cover the sells and withdraws, next thing "voila", a hacker attack.
There are so many holes in this story it isn't funny.
Pray god, please tell us, why would you needed an auditor in Hong Kong and second, why would an auditor need access to usernames and passwords. The read only access is irrelevent.
I filed a complaint with Japanese Consulate in New York, they said they have recieved dozens of complaints and have forwarded to the Ministry of Justice.
While a very small part of the population, the prison population in Japan is some of the most brutal and well disciplined in the world.
I hope enjoy living "Full Metal Jacket" boot camp style for the next few years.
You are so busted.
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Jun-24 2011 00:13.
BitchCoin Express
Copying a "Read Only" access is something a 12 year old can do.
RO only stops people that DO NOT know what they are doing.
One such very crude method is simply screen scraping and then using an extractor to" mine " the desired info.
Jun-24 2011 00:16.
Ace
All we've gotten out of Mt Gox, is a series of untruths. There is no reason I shouldn't be able to verify the balance on my account RIGHT NOW. Why all the stalling?? So you can make plans on leaving the country with my bitcoins and dollars I bet. Mark and his cohorts should have to wear GPS ankle bracelets until all funds held in Mt Gox accounts are returned to their rightful owners.
Jun-24 2011 01:11.
wyatt zipper
Gentlemen something is very clear here, we've all invested money into a company that provided nothing more than an email address as verification of legitimicy. No phone numbers, no physical address, not even a name. We've got a name now "Mark Karpeles" who knows if that person is even real or hes the real Mark Karpeles, regardless Tibanne Co Ltd is not even a real company. Are we really to believe that whoever operated this site completely anonymously did not fall victim to their own greed and cash out at a time when they felt it was the most profitable (BTC had risen 5$ before the "Hack"). All of these updates and claim processes are useless because there is truly no reason that whatever cash is left after the "hack" shouldnt be accessible to their rightfull owners. Law suits in this shady new environment will be tricky and hard to claim and the bottom line is we've all been for lack of a better phrase, fucked. Bitcoins are not dead but the MT Gox experiment surely is, further more I think it's safe to say that anyone of us that still want to continue to trade BTC should do so only a site with such little credentials and if this market is going to become what we all hope it will (a real traded currency) it needs to be done under at least some government regulation so that this type of bullshit never happens again
Jun-24 2011 01:23.
Daniel Brockman
Even though I have no stake in this whatsoever, I'm offended by the lame compensation selectively offered to some users. It would almost have been better not to offer any compensation at all, because from where I stand this pretty much just comes across as an insult. Anyway, it seems clear that Mt Gox is not taking this very seriously. It's almost like they don't think it's their fault. Just my BTC 0.02.
Jun-24 2011 01:25.
fed up btc sucka
Jun-24 2011 01:30.
Andreas
@fed up btc sucka: my understanding was, that after claiming and regaining access to their accounts, users only can withdraw/spending funds and create offers. Active trading will still be suspended indefinitely. so regarding this, there would not be any disadvantages (unless trading will start again and users have to pay unequal fees on their trades).
but nevertheless, by now i do not feel, that users will regain access to their accounts in the nearest future and i suppose there will be no trading at all in the next weeks.
by the way, for me the 48 hours are over and i have to write a new message on the help desk. ;)
Jun-24 2011 01:59.
Andreas
@fed up btc sucka: sry i was wrong (again), you are right, trading is announced to start tomorrow one hour after regaining account access - that is truely not right, trading should not start, before every legitimate user regains access. but as said, by now i believe neither regaining access, nor trading will happen soon.
Jun-24 2011 02:28.
BitchCoin Express
►►►►► ATTENTON ALL ►►►►
Here is the lik to finding the Japanese Consulate that handles your area in the USA. Mine was in NYC and when I contacted them they said they had about two dozen inquiries and complaints and that no such company existed in Japan. They are forwarding the information to the Ministry of Justice in Tokyo. It certainly appears that Mt.Gox is a scam and it is more apparent that all of this is just stringing us along. Contact the Consulate in your area and let's turn up the hear on Mt. Gox. The lack of communication, lack of action and lack of explanations is a solid indicator of being scammed.
LINK
http://www.us.emb-japan.go.jp/jicc/consulate-guide.html
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Jun-24 2011 02:33.
Dieter Grosz
@Andreas, Nick
Thanks for the reply.
Nick you are writing you are at "Your account recovery request is pending review by our staff". So did you recieve another E-Mail after step2 of the claim process ? I only recieved one, after step 1, maybe something has gone wrong with my reclaim...
Jun-24 2011 02:37.
Rassah
Can someone please point out to me this evidence of stalling? They said they were scrapping the old system because they weren't sure it's secure enough (worried if they put it up online to let us access our funds, ALL money would be stolen), and are writing a new trading platform from scratch (I think?). They've posted daily updates on the progress, and claim that we should have access within 24 hours (+/- a day with their track record I guess). How exactly are they stalling, and why would you report them to the authorities if there's absolutely no proof yet that anyone's money was stolen?
Jun-24 2011 02:45.
Rassah
Also, can some of the posts on this board be considered libel and defamation of the company? I.E. If MtGox comes back online and works normally, showing that everyone still has all their money, can they use some of their income to hire lawyers to sue the people spreading unsubstantiated FUD?
Jun-24 2011 02:46.
BitchCoin Express
@rassah
Nice try at cheerleading, but the explanation of "screen scraping" is bunk to anyone that knows DB. Everything they have done is stalling, it defies explanation.
Nevermind the JAPANESE CONSULATE has said no such company or coporation exist in Japan.
Call them yourself.
Personally I consider them a trusted source.
It's also apparent that Mark et al Mt.Gox doesn't read this board.
Call the consulate, turn up the heat.
Jun-24 2011 02:52.
Noah
What I find amusing of their latest update is that when the countdown finishes, those of us who "reclaimed" our accounts (if we even get any verification prior) will have ONE hour to get our shit together before we can trade, if we want to trade. I suspect that since we all know when the site will be up relatively, you can probably guess that the site will be so bogged down that no one will be able to get access to their accounts, except a few lucky ones, and then trading starts before you can reclaim your account.
MT GOX if you're reading this, you should SUSPEND ALL TRADING ACTIVITY until your customers have access to their accounts.
I got an email response, as a side note, about this whole verification process saying that
"Everything is on track and we should be back online for trading very soon.
Please check http://www.MTGOX.com for updates.
Thanks,
MtGox.com Team
Now who in the fuck cares about trading when we don't even have access to our accounts yet nor more importantly were able to verify for ourselves that the funds/btc are actually in our accounts. Seriously at this point who the fuck cares about trading until each of us have proper access to our accounts? The only party that would be interested in this is MT GOX given that that is one main way they generate revenue and thus it is in their interest to get to trading as soon as possible.
One last question that MT GOX failed to address on the bitcoin show: Why was an independent audit company given read-only (who the fuck cares the permissions) on the ENTIRE customer data base file? It's not like our BTC and $ amounts were included in that file that was leaked. So please, please, please, please, please answer us all this one question.
Let me guess there is no good excuse which is why you did not answer it or avoided it.
T-Minus 9 hours and 8 minutes and counting to "relaunch"....
Jun-24 2011 02:53.
Rassah
Jun-24 2011 03:02.
Jason Wells
Jun-24 2011 03:14.
Jason Wells
Jun-24 2011 03:14.
BitchCoin Express
@Rassah
It is apparent you have a limited knowledge of how corporations work. To be legitimate, the must be registered. I am 100% positive the Japenese Consulate is an authority on who is and isn't a business in Japan.
You are an obvious Cheerleader trying to further the stall.
People, please do not take my word for, make a call the Consulate in your area and see for yourself.
Jun-24 2011 03:18.
Krompir
Jun-24 2011 03:18.
BitchCoin Express
REPOST
►►►►► ATTENTON ALL ►►►►
Here is the lik to finding the Japanese Consulate that handles your area in the USA. Mine was in NYC and when I contacted them they said they had about two dozen inquiries and complaints and that no such company existed in Japan. They are forwarding the information to the Ministry of Justice in Tokyo. It certainly appears that Mt.Gox is a scam and it is more apparent that all of this is just stringing us along. Contact the Consulate in your area and let's turn up the hear on Mt. Gox. The lack of communication, lack of action and lack of explanations is a solid indicator of being scammed.
LINK
http://www.us.emb-japan.go.jp/jicc/consulate-guide.html
Jun-24 2011 03:19.
Howard
Jun-24 2011 03:36.
Uncle Mantis
Jun-24 2011 03:43.
Dieter Grosz
Hm, I got an E-Mail from helpdesk today regarding a question I asked about 2 Weeks ago. I'm regarding this as an idicator that MtGox is serious, otherwise I would not expect them to take care of a user request filed 2 weeks ago, especially not under the actual circumstands.
I think you are just overdoing at the moment. For me up to now the whole thing doesn't appear to be fishy, I find everything conclusive up to now. But of course I do not know and could be wrong
Jun-24 2011 03:45.
Rassah
@BitchCoin Express
Either way, bringing up a lawsuit based only on speculation, and especially while the company has made a good faith effort to keep everyone informed of their progress, is pretty much grounds for a counter-suit for abuse of court, and for a libel/defamation suit. IF MtGox was telling the truth and comes back online with full functionality, they likely won't sue anyone spreading FUD on here, because it won't be cost effective (except maybe as a way to reestablish their image), but with all the hysteria on here by two or three specific people, it's pretty much legally possible now.
Also, the idea of calling the authorities on a company HOURS before the company says they'll be back up and running is just retarded. Makes me think you may have something to gain from keeping them closed down.
Jun-24 2011 03:45.
Rassah
Jun-24 2011 03:47.
Uncle Mantis
Jun-24 2011 03:49.
Dieter Grosz
Jun-24 2011 03:49.
BitchCoin Express
I have said nothing that isn't true and verified by the Japanese Consulate. Shut the hell up and call.
I have nothing to gain and a small amount of BTC to lose (96 BTC).
There isn't going to be any lawsuits.
@Dieter
Gimme and the world a break. Responding to an issue from two weeks ago as a sign of good faith. LOL
How about answering some questions like,
EXPLAIN the JC's statement for one.
Jun-24 2011 03:51.
Uncle Mantis
Jun-24 2011 03:52.
Andreas
as far as i can see, tibanne co ltd is registered/incorporated in tokyo since 2009. but that is according to the information provided on their homepage (tibanne.com). so the japanese consulate said, there is an investigation against tibanne?
@Bitch Coin Express, Jason Wells: i am just wondering, because for sure there is no incorporation regarding mtgox, but i suppose there is registration for tibanne co limited. would you therefore please explain, which name did you provide to the japanese consulate in your phone call?
concerning the silkroad issue, there were these rumors about calling bitcoin illegal and furthermore the japanese government was assumed to have an eye on bitcoin. So these criminal investigations could be underway just because the japanese government investigates the legality of bitcoin.
Jun-24 2011 03:53.
BitchCoin Express
@rassah @dieter and anyone else,
Isn't the lack of any communication from MT.Gox a little concerning?
These updates could very easily be time posted and that woulld explain why there is no sync between what they post and what happens.
As Howard pointed out, there is no "Admin" on this board which lends itself to autoposted updates.
Sooner or later, the denial will become reality.
Jun-24 2011 03:54.
Dieter Grosz
@Bitcoin express
stop speaking to me with such a disrespectful intonation.
I said it is an indicator, nothing more. If they where just betrayers why should they still work on such requests, especially as normally no one (except me) would take notice of that and thus they would not expect it to help them in terms of keeping up the trust of people.
Jun-24 2011 03:56.
BitchCoin Express
@UncleMantis
It's not a "small" amount but it isn't fortune breaking either. If Mt.Gox were to start at the $17.50 USD it's $1,680.00
A simple post from anyone known to be associated with MTGOX would alleviate ALL of this.
No Post are coming.
Jun-24 2011 04:00.
Asuka
I'd be disappointed if the 2 step authentication process is not offered to all members who's account details were compromised, as he said in the video/web interview. I'm willing to bet my trades will be rolled back, so I will be getting this added bonus, but it should be given to all members who were part of this website before the attack.
as far as the unbalanced trading... I don't know if I agree that .3% or. 3 cents on every dollar is a huge disadvantage to anyone. It might not be fair that i get to keep .3 cents more on every dollar I trade than you, but it does not put anyone at a significant disadvantage.
Jun-24 2011 04:00.
Rassah
@BitchCoin Express: How about explaining where you get the idea that MtGox have done something illegal and are running with our money?
@Uncle Mantis: I understand that, and I'm honestly not trying to defend MtGox for what they did. I just think the things people CLAIM they are doing with no proof is only causing more harm, spreading unnecessary fear, filling the comments section with spam, and is making those posters look like whiny self-important idiots. Though at this point I think it's starting to cross the line where MtGox may actually have a legal case against these people instead of the other way around (assuming MtGox IS operating legally right now)
Jun-24 2011 04:00.
Dieter Grosz
@ BitcoinExpr. we'll se. Of course I hope you are wrong. On the other hand, I only had a very limited ammount of money/BTC in my account, so I won't die if you are right. Lets hope the best. If it turns out you are right, we can still file lawsuits. For us tt doesn't matter if we do it now or in a week.
Jun-24 2011 04:01.
Nick
Jun-24 2011 04:05.
Rassah
@BitchCoin Express: What exactly are you looking for? 3, 4, or 5 posts a day? The hack only happened on Sunday. Four days ago. They went to talk to people live, posted on the forums, and posted updated here about twice a day. What the hell more do you expect? Or are you just telling everyone who'll listen that they have not posted anything because YOU yourself didn't see any posts? (even though there are a few right at the top of this page). Seriously, you sound more and more like someone who's just trying to bring down Mtgox for personal gain (you don't work for a competing exchange, do you?)
Jun-24 2011 04:09.
BitchCoin Express
@rassah
Info from the Japanese Consulate that clearly states MTGOX or Tibanne does not exist in any Japanese Jurisdiction for taxation or business. The fact they have not addressed a single issue with a reasonable explanation. The fact that they have not once made a deadline on anything. The blatant stalling techniques.
That's what makes me know they have conned us all.
Basically they are pissing on our collective legs and auto posting it's just raining.
Just shut the hell up and call the JC, see for yourself.
Jun-24 2011 04:11.
BitchCoin Express
@rassah
No I don't work for any competing exchanges. Infact all competing exchanges will suffer when this surfaces. There is absolutely no proof that any resposne from MTGOX was "live". Addressing current questions IN THIS FORUM would prove otherwise.
The fact I am still allowed to post clearly demonstrates there is zero admin control here.
You would think, at a minimum if they were serious they would be right on top of this forum, looking at and answering questions, considering this is where the "Auto Post" are happening.
Rassah, you cheerleading efforts are failing.
Jun-24 2011 04:16.
Dieter Grosz
Jun-24 2011 04:21.
Andreas
found this under the tibanne co ltd terms of service ( http://legal.tibanne.com/Tibanne_ToS_20100131.html ). sounds to me like if they do not want to compensate, they do not have to. i still hope, they get things right, but if i do not get any message from them, concerning my recovery request by tomorrow i would feel very bad about the hole issue.
3. Liability and Force Majeure
2. Tibanne Co. Ltd., agents, partners, ICANN, the central registry nor any person involved will be liable to the customer or any third party for any direct or indirect loss of profits, earnings or business opportunities, damages, expense, or costs resulting directly or indirectly from any failure to perform any obligation or provide service herunder because of any Force Majeure, or governmental acts or directives, strikes, riot or civil commotion, war, hacking, any natural desaster, equipment or facilities shortages which are beeing experienced by providers of telecommunication services generally, or other similar force or condition beyond Tibanne Co. Ltd.‘s reasonable control.
Jun-24 2011 04:25.
Dieter Grosz
Jun-24 2011 04:28.
Dieter Grosz
Jun-24 2011 04:31.
Andreas
Jun-24 2011 04:36.
Rassah
@BitchCoin Express: They can't be any more live that being on the phone on Monday night and on Skype video chat Tuesday night on a TV show, taking interviewer questions and questions from the chat room. As for why they are not bothering with this forum here? My guess is that they are too busy to read through all the troll posts, and don't care about all the bitching and whining any more. I wouldn't either, and would only focus on quickly restoring service as fast as I can for customers who have been patient with me, ignoring the obnoxious ones.
On a side one, one thing I LOVE about the ING Direct bank is that they have a policy where they can fire their customers. If you're a problem customer with too many complaints, they close your account, refund your money, and blacklist you, telling you to go bank with someone else. I REALLY wish more companies would do that too, since these obnoxious customers are only using up valuable time and money that the rest of us end up having to pay for with higher fees.
@Andreas: That applies only up to themselves being criminally responsible. I.e. if they got hacked and everything was stolen, they're not liable. If they got hacked, the money is still there, and they ran with it, they're still liable.
Jun-24 2011 04:38.
fed up btc sucka
Ok I think everyone should just take it down a notch. A flamewar based on speculation and ZERO actual information doesn't help anyone. Obviously we are all concerned about the outcome of this. We all have something at stake. I know patiently waiting isn't always easy but we really have no choice here. Some information would be great mtgox, seriously. This does all seem a bit fishy about there being no admin presence on this board but that doesn't automatically mean that all of our dollars are subsidizing Mark's good life in Brazil. Everyone just calm down a bit.
Jun-24 2011 04:39.
Thunderbunder
Is there anyone here who has received confirmation about their "recovery request"?
Mine said after I submitted it:
"Account recovery request submitted at 2011-06-21 16:xx:xx GMT."
and:
"We will begin sending out emails with instructions within the next 24 hours. If you do not receive the email after 48 hours (see above) please contact us so we can look into your claim request"
Still no news up until now. Exept the email I got right away after submitting, or coarse.
I emailed them, since they told me to when it takes longer than 48 hours.. but then I get a reply telling me their support desk is too busy and handling my support ticket would cost another 48-72 hours.
Yeah.. thats great, since the whole site should be opening up in less than 10 hours...
Jun-24 2011 05:03.
BitchCoin Express
@rassah
No a "Skype" phone call doesn't indicate live. The postings are very generalized and nothing specific has been addressed.
A posting from Mark, from his account addressing questions as well as the deletion of all my post would prove otherwise.
There is "NO LIVE CONTROL" of Mt.Gox...
I defy you to prove otherwise and my continued posting is evidence I am correct.
Jun-24 2011 05:09.
BitchCoin Express
Jun-24 2011 05:12.
Thunderbunder
Jun-24 2011 05:13.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 05:16.
bougyman
Jun-24 2011 05:18.
Rassah
@BitchCoin Express: "Here is an EXCELLENT article written today that repeats the same old unsubstantiated speculation that's been posted all over the place claiming that MTGOX as a con.
Fixed it for you.
But, yes, it's game over. Forget about your 96BTC, and go away. No need for you to be here any more, since it's all over with, anyway.
Jun-24 2011 05:18.
eatabowlofdicks
Please, can we stop the bullshit and move forward with answers from each other ? MtGox won't tell us shit other than they'll open at a certain time tomorrow.
We need to rely on each other for information at this point. Can anyone please come forward and answer whether or not they got recovery instructions? If so please post details. Thank you. Fuck you MtGox.
Jun-24 2011 05:20.
Thunderbunder
@eatabowlofdicks
I guess nobody did....
Jun-24 2011 05:21.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 05:22.
Thunderbunder
Jun-24 2011 05:24.
Sean
Jun-24 2011 05:25.
BitchCoin Express
More verifiable info
Kalyhost is owned by Mark Karpeles and is Tradehill's Webhost.
Too coincidental to me since TH was acting like they had no connection to MTGOX.
Just scroll to the bottom of the page of the homesite
https://www.kalyhost.com/
Jun-24 2011 05:26.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 05:27.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 05:28.
Rassah
Jun-24 2011 05:31.
Thunderbunder
I have no idea. I still have my hopes up. But lets consider it to be a fact that 10% of the userbase (probably more by now then..) have requested the recovery claim process. Then there should be quite a few people out there by now having received confirmation and instructions. Or these guys are planning on validating and emailing 5000+ users within the next few hours.
The only other option left would be they are validating requests and marking them as being valid, sending out instructions at the same time the site goes back up, effectively giving you access to their new launched site. That wouldn't be entirely unthinkable, but still.. then what's about the whole "within 48 hours" story? That would be plain stupid, because now tons of people are shooting support tickets their way having surpassed that 48 hour timeframe, effectively giving them more headaches AND undermining trust in their operation more than would have been nessicary.
Jun-24 2011 05:31.
Rassah
Also:
From Adam at MTGOX
Hi Everyone,
We are evaluating 2 methods at this time. SMS, and Yubikey.
The "free subscription" we're referring to is SMS verification. Unfortunately we're a prime target for SMS flooding if we make this a free service, as you can probably understand.
As for the Yubikey, you will pay for a key and the service itself would of course be offered free of charge, making it effectively a one time fee.
Jun-24 2011 05:34.
Sean
Jun-24 2011 05:47.
BitchCoin Express
Jun-24 2011 05:47.
Rassah
Jun-24 2011 05:48.
james
Jun-24 2011 05:48.
Sean
@james: I understand where you're coming from, really all we can do is wait.
I had transferred about a $100 to dwolla and back again to mtgox the night before the hack thinking the price of bitcoins would go down but now I can't even retrieve what I made earlier, it feels bad and I know everyone else's anger.
Jun-24 2011 05:53.
Sean
I just emailed them and I got this reply:
Your request (#****) has been received, and will be reviewed by our support staff.
Our help desk is experiencing unusually high traffic currently. We regret to inform you that you will experience some delays (currently 48-72 hrs) in us getting back to you.
We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience and are working on all fronts to improve our response times.
To review the status of the request and add additional comments, follow the link below:
I take it this will take another 2 days
Jun-24 2011 05:54.
BitchCoin Express
@james
Simply call the Japanese consulate and ask fro yourself.
I have listed all the numbers and several other members have verified it.
I have 96 BTC in MTGOX that I will never see again.
The facts are staggering in support of this being a scam and not a single live rebuttal from MtGox.
BTW, when MTGox falls and they will, all exchanges will fall.
Certainly Tradehill will, as it now appears that MtGox owns the webhost TH uses.
Too coincidental not to be connected.
Kaleyhost.com, do a little research, it might relieve that bad case of denial you are in.
Jun-24 2011 05:56.
Ivica Jovanovic
Jun-24 2011 05:56.
james
Jun-24 2011 05:57.
Thunderbunder
Jun-24 2011 05:59.
Thunderbunder
Jun-24 2011 05:59.
eatabowlofdicks
Those of us who've completed the Account Recovery: whoever gets an email to move forward, please share it with us. Otherwise, I am with every other person in here who's upset with this tard's nest of an operation.
Jun-24 2011 06:00.
eatabowlofdicks
Until the below is honored (and owed) to all of us - I will not rule out the possibility MtGox will come through for us. I can view the glass as half full and we should, at this point - all do the same. Read the below, and if it doesn't happen, then we go apeshit. Until then, shut the fuck up and wait.
"Users with reclaimed accounts will be able to login to Mt.Gox on Friday June 24th at 3:00 GMT (12:00 JST). Once you are logged back into the Mt.Gox site you will be able to withdraw and deposit funds as per usual. You will not be able to trade initially, but we plan to activate trading within an hour of the site being up (4:00 GMT)."
Jun-24 2011 06:03.
Thunderbunder
Jun-24 2011 06:06.
eatabowlofdicks
This I keep saying as well. There should be no prejudice; only time - based discrepancy on who gets access emails and when. But again, we must step back and look at the timeframe involved. Do you honestly think they'll fire out 60,000 emails before the site's launch date / time? Again, skeptical but we should all hope for the best. Take the mind of the grind and let time do the rhyme.
Jun-24 2011 06:09.
y
Jun-24 2011 06:11.
eatabowlofdicks
I'm not sure I am 100% convinced this will screw MtGox, although Mark Karpeles has a presence well known on the web as a hacker, which also doesn't look good. He is also a very good hacker at that who has a background strictly in PHP and finance. He is also CEO of his own company which is based in France because he would never be able to get away with what he's doing in the US. Yes, be very afraid. But again don't consider it a disappearance of MtGox.
Jun-24 2011 06:14.
BitchCoin Express
Jun-24 2011 06:17.
eatabowlofdicks
Please source that comment. I understand Mark is a seasoned (perhaps too seasoned) hacker and coder, but you need to explain more about a database being given to an insecure source. Is there an notable article about this? If so I stand corrected. However I am still - again - waiting to see if they stick to their word regarding launch and account recovery. Until then we should all chill.
Jun-24 2011 06:22.
Patrick Harnett
Comment: The address is not bogus. I was able to find it in less than two minutes.
Tokyo-To, Suginami-ku, Kugayama 5-24-30, 102
Jun-24 2011 06:35.
Andreas
@Labwiz: You are right, the address at the tibanne.com homepage seems not to be correct, but the whois-protocol provides this address:
Cerulean Tower 15F Shibuya Tokyo
and this address is existing. further details provided by the whois-protocol:
DOMAIN: MTGOX.COM
RSP: KalyHost
URL: http://www.kalyhost.com/
created-date: 2007-01-02 21:05:49
updated-date: 2011-03-06 05:45:07
registration-expiration-date: 2013-01-02 21:05:49
owner-organization: Tibanne Co. Ltd.
owner-name: Mark Karpelès
owner-street: Cerulean Tower 15F
owner-city: Shibuya
owner-state: Tokyo
owner-zip: 168-0082
owner-country: JP
owner-phone: +81.345501529
owner-fax:
owner-email:
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Jun-24 2011 06:36.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 06:40.
Patrick Harnett
I'm just hunting up the "correct" company incorporation details. I have been disappointed by the nature of many of the posts the past few days (I read them each day), and I think an example from Australia is far worse than anything here: "a web hosting company was hacked, 4800 web sites lost - no backup" so, almost 5000 businesses are down the gurgler, and people here are upset about something they trusted. This is wild-west stuff here - if you wanted regulated security exchanges, then stick to equities or forex.
For the record, I have about USD250 in MtGox, am 40-ish and have a job and life. I am in business and know how it works.
Jun-24 2011 06:47.
J
MT Gox.com
created-date: 2007-01-02 21:05:49
updated-date: 2011-03-06 05:45:07
registration-expiration-date: 2013-01-02 21:05:49
owner-organization: Tibanne Co. Ltd.
owner-name: Mark Karpeläs
owner-street: Cerulean Tower 15F
owner-city: Shibuya
owner-state: Tokyo
owner-zip: 168-0082
owner-country: JP
owner-phone: +81.345501529
owner-fax:
owner-email:
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
http://www.tibanne.com/contact.html
Jun-24 2011 06:47.
eatabowlofdicks
- @Patrick I am- like many others here- in the same boat. I understand as I have about 200usd in there,, and work in IT for a major telecommunications company with a pretty broad scope of the dirt behind this incident.. And you're absolutely right - if people wanted a form of regulation they won't find it here.
Jun-24 2011 07:05.
BitchCoin Express
@ J,
Call the Japanese Consulate, they clearlt state as has been verified quite a few others, that Tibanne Ltd and MtGox are not valid companies anywhere in Japan.
I am falrly sure the Japanese Consulate has accurate information.
Call for yourselves, the numbers are listed in previous post, the Westcoast Consulates are open fro another 2 hours tofay.
Are you seriously disputing that the Japanese Govt is wrong?
Jun-24 2011 07:17.
BitchCoin Express
Jun-24 2011 07:17.
DavidM
Jun-24 2011 07:31.
y
I certainly am not a troll or naysayer but I did call the Japan Consul in SF when I saw bitchcoiner's post earlier. They JC in SF clearly said that both companies were not valid companies anywhere in Japan. That the address listed did not belong to Mtgox and a "criminal procedure was being initiated" were the exact words. Considering the fact that quite a few seem to know this Mark character as a hacker who lives in various places and the fact we have no updates that can be determined as real, yes it is a lot suspect at this point.
Jun-24 2011 07:32.
BitchCoin Express
Jun-24 2011 07:37.
Patrick Harnett
Sorry, my day job is getting in the way, and I don't intend calling the US today. I'd much prefer dealing direct with people in Japan.
While you might think the consulate would have good information, that has several assumptions. First is that it is a nationally incorporated company and they can "look it up". Some jurisdictions have local business incorporation and I am not sure that they would even need official registration. There are many companies that remain unincorporated.
The other point I might make is that finding addresses in Japan is not like in the USA. The codes refer to districts, blocks and buildings in no particular order. The best way to find a particular address is to ask a local (and I've done that a few times when I've been there)..
Jun-24 2011 07:41.
js
Jun-24 2011 08:07.
Noah
Jun-24 2011 08:55.
Jeff Harris
Jun-24 2011 09:05.
BitchCoin Express
What does open mean?????
Open for Withdrawls, Just Begining The Verfication, Just being able to Login????
Define Open, as far I am concerned it's not open till we can take out BTC and flee.
Jun-24 2011 09:12.
Peter Darmouth
Yeah yeah BitchCoin express troll, why don't you just wait 2 more hours and then take your coins and flee. Pronto! Byebye.
But I guess once MtGox reopens and everything ain't nearly as disastreous as you claimed to know it would be... well then I guess you will keep on staying, cause that's what you do. Stay and annoy the shit out of everyone.
Btw - my mailbox already has a filter rule running just for you. Ain't that funny? Ooh, just thinking about it gives me chills running down my spine. Oooh, that turns me on. More. MORE I SAY!
Jun-24 2011 09:43.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 09:48.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 09:56.
Dr. Lithium
Jun-24 2011 10:08.
eatabowlofdicks
Looking bad? LOL This has BEEN bad for days now. In 2h, we'll see just how bad it is. Who knows - from that IRC thread the emails may just come blasting out with the relaunch. Since Mark likes to keep us guessing, we haven't any idea for sure.
Jun-24 2011 10:17.
BitchCoin Express
@Peter Darmouth
Why am I a troll. I have backed up everything with verifiable fact.
1) Several posters, 5 last time I counted had called the Japenese Consuls and verifed what I posted.
2) Nobody has recieved or can verify a followup email, no one.
3) Mark or MTGOX has not posted once in this forum.
4) All the updates are generalized and very well could have been auto posted in advance
5) Tibanne owns the hosting comany that host TradeHill. Just go to Kalyhost.com and scroll to the bottom.
6) $500,000 was supposedly taken from one account at MTGOX, yet not one word publicly from anyone or anywhere has said anyting about it. Furthermore what moron would keep $500K in an account where you can only withdraw $1000 per day? For what feasible purpose.
7) The passwords were salted, even a medium level PW would take weeks to crack
8) Mark is a high level hacker, I don't buy the weaksecurity BS.
9) There is no verifiable technical reason to wait four days.
Simply accepting emails or allowing some BS login with no actionable functions is not opening.
Please put me down on record that MTGOX WILL NOT OPEN in 1.5 hours. You will not be able to withdraw funds or trade.
If not believing Mark when he is pissing on my leg and auto-posting it is just raining is being a troll, then color me guilty!
Jun-24 2011 10:24.
slipkn6t
Jun-24 2011 10:24.
slipkn6t
Jun-24 2011 10:25.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 10:28.
slipkn6t
eat a bowl of dicks, I'm in Russia.
Also I have a pending withdrawal which was requested A DAY BEFORE the hack, hope I will received it someday. Did anyone receive such payments yet?
Jun-24 2011 10:36.
BitchCoin Express
@eatabowlof dicks
How did you you respond to slipkn6t before he posted LOL.....
You got your accounts mixed talking to yourself............
Your response should have been to @marat...........
What a dumb fuck!
Jun-24 2011 10:39.
slipkn6t
Jun-24 2011 10:42.
eatabowlofdicks
@ BitchCoin - what the fuck are you smoking? Timestamp on my post: Jun-24 2011 07:58. Timestamp on slipkn6t's post: Jun-24 2011 07:55.
Can you please shut the fuck up, calm down, and see what happens at 3:00 GMT (12:00 JST). Thank you for playing and get the fuck off my internet lawn. You annoy everyone here.
Jun-24 2011 10:43.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 10:44.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 10:46.
BitchCoin Express
Yeah but your nickname wasn't showing till you just changed it.
Eatabowl had no way to to reply to you as @slipkn6t becuae you hadn't posted yet as that name.
The only conclusion, you are one in the same.
Jun-24 2011 10:48.
slipkn6t
Jun-24 2011 10:48.
eatabowlofdicks
@ BitchCoin wow you are really on some shit. Some of us are connected to the internet in a different way than you are. We don't have the same computer you do. I am from the US, and slipkn6t is from RU.
Really you need to put down the crackpipe you're getting way too excited.
Jun-24 2011 10:51.
BitchCoin Express
Bug or not, he had zero way to refer to you as Slipkn6t before the name ever appeared....
unless, you're one in the same. It's cool, you just got caught...own it.
Anyhow, there will be no functional MTGOX in an hour.
Possibly a limited sign in with no real functions, or what I really suspect will be a big "Nothing"
Jun-24 2011 10:52.
George Miller
Jun-24 2011 10:54.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 10:55.
slipkn6t
Jun-24 2011 10:56.
BitchCoin Express
Yes I am in the USA also, and it doesn't matter if he on mars for that matter....
You had no way to respond to his post as Slipn6kt before he posted it!
Jun-24 2011 10:56.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 10:56.
George Miller
Jun-24 2011 10:57.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 10:57.
George Miller
Jun-24 2011 10:58.
BitchCoin Express
@eatabowl @Slipkn6t
Maybe we all just a little edgy over this MTGOX bullshit, more than the loss of money, this all really pisses me off because I put in a lot of time and effort into collecting GPU's, setting all this up, learning the game so to speak and because Mark Fucknuts crap, here we are..........
Jun-24 2011 10:59.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 10:59.
firexware
@EVERYONE:
EVERY 3 SECONDS I GET A NEW EMAIL FROM THIS THING. IT IS ALWAYS YOU GUYS BITCHING AT EACH OTHER. WHY NOT START A CONSTRUCTIVE CONVERSATION SO I HAVE SOMETHING INTERESTING TO READ. PERHAPS TALK ABOUT HOW SERVICES LIKE MT. GOX GO AGAINST BITCOIN'S FUNDAMENTAL GOAL, TO BE ABSOLUTELY DECENTRALIZED, AND HOW CENTRALIZATION IS KILLING BITCOIN (E.G. POOLS BEING DDOSed AND WHAT IS GOING ON WITH MT. GOX)
OTHERWISE STFU BECAUSE YOU'RE ALL WASTING YOUR TIME.
Jun-24 2011 11:00.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 11:00.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 11:01.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 11:03.
George Miller
@BitchCoin in all seriousness, your frustration is understandable, but throwing fits in the comments won't get you very far. everyone is in the same boat that had coins or cash tied up here. you're not a unique snowflake. getting a couple rigs up to mine doesn't entitle you to spew a bunch of guess work bullshit around.
Jun-24 2011 11:03.
BitchCoin Express
Jun-24 2011 11:03.
firexware
Jun-24 2011 11:05.
George Miller
Jun-24 2011 11:05.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 11:05.
BitchCoin Express
@George,
The only thing I apologize for is attacking eatabowl and slipn6kt....
The links to the Japanese Consulate, What they said and the verification several others stands on it's own. I do not believe for a second MTGOX will open.
Jun-24 2011 11:06.
firexware
Jun-24 2011 11:06.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 11:06.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 11:07.
Adam
Jun-24 2011 11:08.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 11:09.
Adam
Wow, the people who trade Bitcoins are so mature and friendly!
Happy Thursday Shitheads,
<3
Jun-24 2011 11:11.
vickie totherow
Jun-24 2011 11:12.
Adam
Judging by most of these comments, I'm guessing a few of you aren't even old enough to have your own bank accounts.
Shut your fucking keyboard fingered mouths.
Jun-24 2011 11:12.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 11:13.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 11:14.
Adam
Jun-24 2011 11:15.
Dj D Bledsoe
i logged in just to say thanks for the entertainment while we wait.
LET THE FLAMES CONTINUE....... I AM ENJOYING IT :P
I could use some flames myself, my gpu's aren't heating my place like they normally do for some reason......
Jun-24 2011 11:16.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 11:17.
BitchCoin Express
@Adam
If you don't like our fucking friendliness the get the fuck out! LOL...........
I'm kicking back drinking a cold one waiting for ths bullshit!
I guess what pisses me off, like a lot of you, is that in addition to the money, we all built this shit like kids with some really cool toys...
The shit I took from the ol' lady for buying a 6990 and the extra crap i took for the 5770's and 5850's from ebay......
Then a supposed guru hacker makes an elementary security mistake that screws us all........
Yep, I am a little fucking pissed........yeah Mark, bring your ass back to SF just for a day. (Mark is from SF)
Jun-24 2011 11:18.
Adam
@eatabowlofdicks
You aren't old enough to pay property taxes, you don't own any lawns.
You might have been given a tricycle for your birthday, if you were lucky.
Go back to Reddit / 4chan...
Jun-24 2011 11:20.
BitchCoin Express
I thnk I am going to change my name to "AnotherBowlofDicks",,,,,,,,,,,,,LOL
OMG Drinkin' and Postin'..................
Jun-24 2011 11:20.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 11:21.
BitchCoin Express
Jun-24 2011 11:22.
Rhklein89
Jun-24 2011 11:22.
Rhklein89
Jun-24 2011 11:23.
Matthew McDevitt
Jun-24 2011 11:23.
Adam
@BitchCoinExpress
is actually funny and clever, I like him.
@EatABowlofDicks
You're not entertaining me at all.
Hopefully "your" Bitcoins aren't missing from your mommy's MtGox account. None of us wants you to get grounded.
Jun-24 2011 11:23.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 11:24.
slipkn6t
Bitchcoin Express, 6990 is far from being the best hardware for mining bitcoins. I would go for 2x 5850 + overclock themto 900+ mhz (and that's what I almost did, I bought 5850 + 5870) which are 2 times cheaper.
Jun-24 2011 11:24.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 11:25.
George Miller
Jun-24 2011 11:25.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 11:25.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 11:26.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 11:26.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 11:26.
baxx
Jun-24 2011 11:27.
Rdinsmore
Jun-24 2011 11:28.
BitchCoin Express
Jun-24 2011 11:28.
Adam
@GeorgeMiller
not at all, I just finished downloading Chinga La Migra a few seconds ago, so I'm gonna go read through that for a few hours probably
You kids have fun hitting each other with your lunch boxes like "adults"
;)
Jun-24 2011 11:28.
Asuka
Jun-24 2011 11:29.
slipkn6t
Jun-24 2011 11:29.
BitchCoin Express
@slipkn6t
It was bullshit.
Jun-24 2011 11:30.
Asuka
Jun-24 2011 11:30.
Asuka
Jun-24 2011 11:31.
George Miller
Jun-24 2011 11:31.
Dennis
Jun-24 2011 11:31.
baxx
Jun-24 2011 11:32.
slipkn6t
Jun-24 2011 11:34.
vickie totherow
Jun-24 2011 11:36.
slipkn6t
Jun-24 2011 11:37.
baxx
Jun-24 2011 11:39.
vickie totherow
Jun-24 2011 11:42.
vickie totherow
Jun-24 2011 11:42.
Rdinsmore
Jun-24 2011 11:43.
Asuka
Jun-24 2011 11:43.
Dennis
Jun-24 2011 11:43.
BitchCoin Express
Jun-24 2011 11:45.
S G
I don't think it's open yet but I did recieve email with the following statement:
Your request (#****) has been deemed solved.
Hello,
Before 3:00 GMT on Friday June 24th you will receive an email from us advising that either
A) Your claim was successful and you can login to Mt.Gox once the site is up.
or,
B) We require more information to process and authorize your claim.
We appreciate your continued patience as we work to get everything back online.
Thanks,
MtGox.com Team
Jun-24 2011 11:47.
BitchCoin Express
Jun-24 2011 11:48.
MagicalTux
Jun-24 2011 11:51.
BitchCoin Express
@MagicalTux
Nice try, but fake
Jun-24 2011 11:52.
S G
Jun-24 2011 11:52.
Asuka
Jun-24 2011 11:53.
Dennis
Did any one scroll up and see he changed the messege:
[Update June 24 - 02:39 GMT] Postponing the Relaunch 24 hours.
We're seeing that the amount of claims that need review is much higher than what we had anticipated, and consequently it is taking us considerably more time to process the claims.
We want to be as accurate as possible when approving claim forms to ensure accounts are issued back to the original account holders, so we humbly ask for continued patience while we work through the outstanding claims. If we were to stick to the launch time of 3:00 GMT the majority of accounts will still not have access to Mt.Gox at the reopening. We want to ensure as many users as possible have equal access when we are ready to open the site again.
Email confirmation and rejections have started going out. If you received a "rejection" email, please go through the claim process again at claim.mtgox.com and add additional account information such as the account numbers of the services you used to deposit along with the amounts.
We understand many of you are eager to get access to your account, and we are doing our best to ensure this happens as quickly and with as much confidence as possible.
We will relaunch the site on June 25 at 3:00 GMT. Trading will resume at 4:00 GMT (same day).
Thank you for your patience and understanding, we are look forward to getting through the claims and continue trading as soon as possible.
Jun-24 2011 11:56.
Labwiz
Jun-24 2011 11:56.
Jeff Harris
[Update June 24 - 02:39 GMT] Postponing the Relaunch 24 hours.
Jun-24 2011 11:56.
MagicalTux
Jun-24 2011 11:57.
Dennis
Jun-24 2011 11:57.
BitchCoin Express
I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO.........................
I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO.........................
I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO.........................
I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO.........................
Jun-24 2011 11:58.
MagicalTux
Jun-24 2011 11:58.
Dennis
Jun-24 2011 11:59.
Tran Vu Duc
Jun-24 2011 12:01.
Rassah
Jun-24 2011 12:01.
Jeff Harris
Now that's a giant shit sandwich. Of course, this only one hour between "site open" and "trading begins" isn't a very big window for those who are traveling, caring for others, or otherwise unavailable. There will still be a lot of problems with accounts not having what someone thinks they should have and what is listed, so that magical hour will probably get pushed back some more.
Latest countdown timer: http://timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=Mt.+Gox+reop...
@BitchCoin Express:
Jun-24 2011 12:03.
wyatt zipper
Jun-24 2011 12:04.
Rectal Bleeding
I've gotten very used to TradeHill at this point. Do you mean to tell me that the number of verified accounts still wouldn't be larger than what Tradehill has? Or is it not "fair" to let only some people back in?
You know what's not fair? Telling users you've f*ed in the *ss for the past week that you'd be ready for business at an exact time and then pulling the rug out from underneath them again.
I don't know what incentive you have NOT to just take our money and bitcoins and find an island and sip mohitos.
I will never make a trade on Mt Gox again.
Jun-24 2011 12:08.
Dennis
Jun-24 2011 12:15.
slipkn6t
Jun-24 2011 12:17.
Dennis
Jun-24 2011 12:17.
Ace
Jun-24 2011 12:18.
Morten Bendiksen
I think you should open the site for logging in with accounts as they get verified, so you don't get a huge number of people trying to log in at once. I can see no reason why everyone needs to get access at the same time.
I guess you have probably already deleted all orders, since otherwise a lot of people might sell or buy for prices they no longer want to. If not, I would encourage you to do this. One hour is not enough time to allow everyone to delete their orders if they are still there.
Jun-24 2011 12:22.
wyatt zipper
Jun-24 2011 12:25.
Richard Weston
Tux,
We know you are understaffed to handle this kind of crisis. Please quit telling us what we want to hear. You're credibility would improve immensely if you would just give us realistic times to the relaunch. You have thousands of accounts to review with your handful of staff. Even another 24 hours may be unrealistic considering verfication problems you may encounter with these many accounts Also unrealistic is the 1 hour window between reopening the site and the commencing of trading. 6 to 10 hours seems more appropriate.
I suggest you meet with your staff, estimate your production rates based on the resources you have, and then add some contigency time for delays, rework, and overhead. The time frame may be what many of us do not want to hear, but at least it is realistic.
Jun-24 2011 12:27.
Bill
You dumbfucks. You don't wait until 20 minutes before and go, "Oh, we aren't getting this done."
People have stayed awake. People have lives. This is the worst run company I have ever fucking seen.
People are not happy about this. You just fucked yourselves bigger than you already were. But at least it'll be the weekend so people won't be able to get their bank transfers until Mon.
http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=21762.0
http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=21761.0
Jun-24 2011 12:29.
Robert Shepard
- In the immortal words of Eric Cartman, "Fuck fuckity fuck fuck fuck". These comments are better than Digg
Jun-24 2011 12:58.
fed up btc sucka
Jun-24 2011 13:00.
JoeBloe
Tux, give your users a proper compensation for these delays, not the crap you originally offered. I think you should be offering a couple of bitcoins as compensation. I'd be happy to stay on this exchange if I was treated like an important customer.
REPLY TO THIS MAGICALTUX
Jun-24 2011 13:14.
firexware
- Mt. Gox fails. At first I thought that they handled this fairly responsibly. Not anymore. No SANE PERSON would MANUALLY verify 60,000+ accounts. That is just ridiculous. It would actually be MORE secure if they just required your old password and immediately let you reset it (even before mtgox was back online), because it would allow for NEARLY ZERO time to crack the passwords. The longer they do this, the more opportunity for cracking the passwords, and when they finally realize that they CAN'T manually verify 60,000+ accounts, the bad guys will have had the time to crack the passwords they wanted to.
If they're seriously doing 60,000+, they're obviously not going to pay much attention to proper validation, and i bet they will eventually fall back to password + email verification.
Just do AUTOMATIC email + password + IP validation. That's strong enough....... IP addresses are unspoofable (for their purposes) since a three way handshake is required to establish a TCP connection. The only way an attacker could spoof the IP is if they were MITMing that user's connection or using the same ISP - we won't see those kinds of attacks unless the attacker is VERY dedicated. It'll get 90% of the user base back up and running, and if the user's IP has changed, THEN manually validate. That would cut down on a lot of work, why not do it?
Jun-24 2011 13:16.
Dj D Bledsoe
Jun-24 2011 13:18.
Noah
I put a post up about this very issue earlier today. Why in the fuck would you wait until right before the relaunch to say "oh we don't think we'll be able to finish in time" and postpone again.
If there are accounts that are verified they should be allowed to login to mtgox and get access to their BTC or $ with no trading allowed but the ability to move funds/BTC out of their account. It makes no sense to have everyone wait until 1 hour before relaunch #2 to get access to their accounts. This sounds like another opportunity to cause issues just to delay one again. Imagine how messed up your site will be, bogged down, the 1 hour prior to launch of trading because your 60,000+ users are trying to login at the same fucking time to get access to their shit.
This is bullshit and obviously another tactic to delay whatever it is you have not been forthcoming concerning this fuck up.
What's the next delay going to be called "Postponing again due to overloaded website traffic T-minus 24 hours until we postpone again"?
Jun-24 2011 13:21.
Rassah
Just got a confirmation e-mail that my account is successfully recovered. Progress...
Still, if there's one blatantly obvious thing that this whole MtGox thing has definitely proved, it's that IT guys SUCK at doing PR stuff.
Jun-24 2011 13:25.
Rassah
FYI, this is what it looks like
Mt.Gox Account recovery service
Account recovery request submitted at 2011-06-21 16:41:22 GMT.
Your account recovery request has been accepted.
You will be able to access your Mt.Gox account once the site opens again.
Jun-24 2011 13:28.
Bill
Jun-24 2011 13:38.
Rdinsmore
I agree. The one hour window is ridiculous. Open the site, make sure everyone is verified, then allow trading after that. If the staff are off by 24 hours in their estimates already, how the fuck do they expect to estimate the required window for people to be able to verify and get all funds situated? They are too concerned people will remove funds that they are creating an artificially ridiculous situation.
Jun-24 2011 13:53.
Bill
@Rdinsmore
Just gives them a weekend so they can cash out before their site goes down for a final and last time. Keeps the money in during the weekend. No bank withdrawals. Allows trading for those two days so they can liquidate and make some money. And then pull the plug after they realize they aren't liquid enough to handle all the withdrawals from their site. Brilliant really. Ponzi in action. Allow a few to cash out. Fuck the rest.
What are you going to do if they did? NOTHING.
Jun-24 2011 14:05.
Ace
You guys are talking like you're ever going to see your money again. LOL
How many Mt Gox transparent untruths are you gonna swallow.
Mark and the boys are zeroing out your accounts on hookers and blow.
Jun-24 2011 14:11.
BitchCoin Express
►►►►►► A T T E N T I O N ►►►►►►
Earlier today I posted a link to the Japanese Consulate to Page 9 which list all the Japanese Consulates in the USA. I called the Japanese Consulate in NYC. The lady answering knew exactly what I was talking about as she said they have had a several dozen request and inquiries about Tibanne Ltd and Mt Gox. I was informed that neither Tibanne Ltd. or Mt.Gox are valid companies or corporations in Japan. Furthermore the addresses are bogus for either company and a criminal investigation has been initiated by the Japanese Police in Tokyo.
I was advised since Mark Karpeles is a US Citizen to file a report with local authorities here also.
Several other posters also called various JC across the US and learned the same.
Also interesting is that Mark K. also owns Kalyhost.com, the webhost for Tradehill. Which explains why TH cooperated so easily with MGX.
TradeHill is working with Mt.Gox
What has more than likely happened???
Mark K. has been spending money he shouldn't have, meaning other people's money. This explains the very long payouts for transfers and withdrawls.
He's been paying off withdrawls with new deposits and playing back and forth with TradeHill.
I think a real run on the bank occurred and he couldn't cover it with the deposits coming in. His Ponzi Scheme collapsed.
The updates are obviously Auto Posted. They do not address any specific issues at all and there hasn't been a single Admin or Mark K response in this thread at all. Not one.
Considering the forum is the main avenue of communication with your 60,000 members it would be the ideal place. The fact I have slammed him so hard and still are allowed to post is proof enough that there is zero admin control on this board. Why wouldn't he post live you ask? Mark is an expert hacker and knows it would leave a trail right to him. He is also way too smart to have allowed a DB compromise that lame. Think about it, a $500K account on a site where you can withdraw only $1000 per day, really?
Furthermore not a word from anyone anywhere on losing that money? WTF?
I 100% predicted the delay update and even the reason! So FUCK YOU RASSAH ! EAT SHIT !
Below is the link to the Japanese Consulate, call them tomorrow in your area and let's put this bastard in jail.
Japanese Consulate Directory
http://www.us.emb-japan.go.jp/jicc/consulate-guide.html
An Excellent Article Detailing Why MtGox is a Scam and The Hack Phony
http://www.wagist.com/2011/dan-linehan/mtgox-dances-with-the-bear
Jun-24 2011 14:11.
BitchCoin Express
Jun-24 2011 14:13.
Ace
Jun-24 2011 14:19.
BitchCoin Express
Jun-24 2011 14:19.
firexware
- This is obviously bullshit....
If they could verify one account in 10 seconds, and assuming 30,000 users requested validation, it'd take them 30,000 * 10 / 60 / 60 / 24 = 3.4722 SOLID DAYS worth of work to get it done (and that doesn't account for sleeping time). They would have known how long it would take BEFORE posting the "T-minus" bullshit.
The "account validation" has CLEARLY been crafted to act as a pretext for this delay. The true nature of a delay is a mystery to me, I will not speculate, but they're OBVIOUSLY not validating accounts.
Jun-24 2011 14:23.
BitchCoin Express
@firexwire
They delay tactic is for the purpose of transferring money and getting the hell out of Dodge before the Japanese Authorities clamp down, that's what.
FWIW, Tibanne Ltd. aka Mt.Gox also owns the webhost, Kalyhost.
The webhost of Tradehill. This whole thing is a scam.
Jun-24 2011 14:28.
Noah
I JUST SENT THE FOLLOWING TO MARK, ADAM, AND THE REST OF THEM AT MT. GOX:
Noah, Jun-24 14:27 (JST):
Mark, Adam, and The rest, Today I put a post up on the support forum about this very issue (your last post to the support forum) earlier today. Why in the fuck would you wait until right before the relaunch to say "oh we don't think we'll be able to finish in time" and postpone again. If there are accounts that are verified they should be allowed to login to mtgox and get access to their BTC or $ with no trading allowed but the ability to move funds/BTC out of their account. It makes no sense to have everyone wait until 1 hour before relaunch #2 to get access to their accounts. This sounds like another opportunity to cause issues just to delay one again. Imagine how messed up your site will be, bogged down, the 1 hour prior to launch of trading because your 60,000+ users are trying to login at the same fucking time to get access to their shit. This is bullshit and obviously another tactic to delay whatever it is you have not been forthcoming concerning this fuck up. What's the next delay going to be called "Postponing again due to overloaded website traffic T-minus 24 hours until we postpone again"? Pardon my French but you can't possibly think we are that stupid to know how a reclaim process will or will not work. I better get a response on my verification and it better say that it has been approved. Noah
Jun-24 2011 14:30.
Robert Shepard
@firexware
speculate: 1. Form a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence.
OBVIOUS: 1. Easily perceived or understood; clear, self-evident, or apparent.
and @bill, in two weeks once things go back to somewhat normal, what are you going to do? NOTHING. we probably won't even be hearing from you. lol. its like you will just vanish from the scene, in a vocal sense.
so it is completely clear and self-evident to you that, without any evidence to prove it, they are not validating accounts.
god I hate internet people sometimes.
Jun-24 2011 14:31.
Asuka
I just got my rejection e-mail.
Added more proof, to the best of my knowledge. We'll see what happens with that. If some people are getting approvals... and some are getting rejections... means someone is really doing work, OR that Mark is just smart enough to know he can't just give everyone an approval immediately without raising suspicions.
I am still going with the idea that he and Adam or Andy whatever his name is are actually working through these accounts.
Jun-24 2011 14:37.
Bill
Jun-24 2011 14:38.
BitchCoin Express
@Robert
Try this for Proof Positive.
Call any of the Japanese Consulates and ask them.
I 100% believe that the Japanese Government is an authority on what businesses are legit and are not.
In no uncertain terms, they made it clear that MtGox and Tibanne are bogus and criminal investigation is underway.
Everything they have done 100% points to scam.
Today when I absolutely predicted with 100% certainty that the delay would come minutes before lauch I was blasted as a troll, deemed "Speculation" as was told I would be eating shit whe MtGox opened tonight.
Call the JC tomorrow people and make some noise.
Do not make it easy for this punk to steal out money.
Call for yourself as no less than 5 other posters did and confirmed it.
I defy you to do it.
Jun-24 2011 14:40.
k
Jun-24 2011 14:41.
Bill
Jun-24 2011 14:46.
y
Jun-24 2011 14:49.
k
Jun-24 2011 14:49.
Bill
Jun-24 2011 14:52.
BitchCoin Express
@k
From the bottom of my heart FUCK YOU!
You guys pummeled me, saying "wait till Mt.Gox opens tonight", cheer leading for Mark......
You chumps are as bad as a guy I knew once whose car got stolen from the mall parking lot. He walked around three hours until the mall closed and no cars were left before he would accept it was stolen. Samething here.
Sooner or later he will be caught, he will serve time but he had us until that time.
Jun-24 2011 14:55.
BitchCoin Express
@K go to Kalyhost.com, look at the bottom of the page, "Powered by Tibanne Ltd."
Next educated yourself on domain name searches and find out who the webhost for Tradehill is.
"Read and Weep"
Jun-24 2011 14:57.
Brian
Jun-24 2011 15:08.
BitchCoin Express
It made a lot of people nervous, there was whole threads devoted to it on several forums. The geeks took apart the source code and found dozens of similarities including identical coding errors consistent with MtGox..
It explains the reason why Tradehill and MtGox went down so close together. They were operating out the same pool. Tradehill is still down in the sense you can sell, you can withdraw but your transfer remains in "pending status" permanently.
I believe bitcoin is a solid platform, but I also believe we have been scammed.
Jun-24 2011 15:13.
Asuka
hey Bill... regardless of what you think, I got my reply and I was rejected. I gave him everything except my last balance. And I probably have to wait another two fucking days before i get my response again.
as far as kalyhost goes... can you re-link the information that shows that Kalyhost.com is the server for tradehill.com?
I got this information:
http://www.ip-adress.com/whois/mtgox.com
http://www.ip-adress.com/whois/tradehill.com
unless you have screen shots that prove it was previously hosted on Kalyhost, and everyone now finding it out spooked them so they moved it in the past day or so.
Thanks
Jun-24 2011 15:14.
Asuka
Jun-24 2011 15:15.
y
@BitchcoinEx
I have $300.00 or so in a pending status from Tradehill.com for the past 5 days and keep getting the run around too. This really sucks and I also noticed that Tradehill has changed the registration information from public to privacy by proxy. I looked earlier today when you mentioned and it was listed. Now it is hidden. Bummer, I got to step away from this. I think I will just check back in a few days and what happens, happens. Nothing I can do about it really.
Peace
Karen in SF
Jun-24 2011 15:19.
Thunderbunder
Jun-24 2011 15:22.
Brian
Jun-24 2011 15:23.
MtGoxislier
~~~~~~NEW Finding ~~~~~~~NEW Finding~~~~~~
All users, can you please try to reclaim your account through claim.mtgox.com, can you check whether you will get the same result as me that I have not received any emails come back from Mt. Gox since I made the reclaim.
I do not know what does this mean, but my feeling is terrible.
Jun-24 2011 15:25.
Asuka
Jun-24 2011 15:27.
MtGoxislier
You can try to do another claim procession through the like "claim.mtgox.com". Normally you will receive an email from Mt. Gox to continue your claim. But when I tried this 20min ago, I have not received any email from them, which means there is no response from their claim server.
Jun-24 2011 15:31.
BitchCoin Express
@Labwiz
Probably the most real attitude I have seen today! Yep you are correct, it has been changed to private domain registration. I think it is more of a collaboration between mark K and the people that actually run TH than an out ownership by MtGox.
@ Asuka
I know either you are part of the crew at MtGox or a psycho groupie, no other possibility.
So if you want me to go away and quit directing people to the JC and basically exposing you, just send my 96 BTC to 1BmCiTYSDnrx67DmGXwV46mmVLyUwNMSzn and I will go away!
Jun-24 2011 15:33.
Asuka
Jun-24 2011 15:33.
Asuka
Jun-24 2011 15:34.
firexware
- Anyone know where to find a online-watchable copy of the live interview they did? I want to point out one of the guy's facial expressions when he got told of the claim that he had moved the bitcoins to his own wallet. It struck me as an intentional and "nervously shocked" reaction, and I even said "ooooohhhhhh liesssssss" out loud. My google skills have failed me.
Jun-24 2011 15:35.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 15:35.
eatabowlofdicks
I have faith in them, and although 24h push-ahead looks awful, it looks like they're on the the right track. All will be told of this story on Saturday, June 25th when the MtGox website opens.
Jun-24 2011 15:36.
Asuka
Jun-24 2011 15:36.
MtGoxislier
One minute ago, I received the following through email:
Mt.Gox Account recovery service
Account recovery request submitted at 2011-06-21 23:11:24 GMT.
Your account recovery request has been accepted.
You will be able to access your Mt.Gox account once the site opens again.
Jun-24 2011 15:38.
eatabowlofdicks
See, if you can just verify your account, they can finish up 60,000 of these and and launch the site by Saturday. Yes it's a shitshow, but it is what it is.
Jun-24 2011 15:39.
Juice
Jun-24 2011 15:41.
Asuka
@MtGoxislier... guess that answers your question... but not alot of our questions. Though I'd probably still be a "cheerleader" as Bitch put it, if I got my approval e-mail. And I am not thrilled with the information that was given. TradeHill and MtGox are working together or are the same group.
and if this is true, where the hell are we going to find an exchange to make bitcoins easy to trade?
Jun-24 2011 15:41.
eatabowlofdicks
@Asuka, the things they ask for are quite simple. If you can't provide them, then they are asking for a good reason. What, you don't want to give out information they already have? Nothing to lose unless you're lying about something.
Jun-24 2011 15:42.
Tran Vu Duc
@eatabowlofdicks: My friend's just got the same email of approval from MtGox this morning.
They're doing their job , so people, do have some faith in them :)
Jun-24 2011 15:43.
ktomi
Jun-24 2011 15:43.
eatabowlofdicks
@Asuka you don't just have to use MtGox, I've opened up and continued doing BTC biz without interruption using bitcoin7.com. All of this focus on MtGox and Tradehill on the same registrar is of course credible, and shady - but for fucks sake move on and figure out another way to get your BTC on.
Jun-24 2011 15:43.
eatabowlofdicks
@ Juice, TVD, ktomi, all we need to do is see what MtGox is on Saturday, and we're free to make our decisions then. Everyone else just cool the fuck out and wait for your acceptance email. MtGox is on it, believe it or not.
Jun-24 2011 15:45.
Asuka
Jun-24 2011 15:45.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 15:46.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 15:47.
eatabowlofdicks
All of this Japan / US consulate shit is really ridiculous. This is fucking BITCOIN! It's not a fucking legal tender. THE END. The law will not get involved, help you, side with anyone, nor "investigate" shit. As many have said on here ... this is the Wild West. Fuckin Deal With It.
Jun-24 2011 15:50.
BitchCoin Express
@Asuka,
I may be lashing out of frustration at people and if I am I apologize.
But I am not wrong on the info.
Yeah the 96 BTC is a loss but the real loss is all the work, fun and plans I have put into this the past 2 months.
That's what really sucks.
I don't think this version of Bitcoin will survive. There simply is no way for the platform to recover and without an exchange, it will bottom out again and stay there. With the difficulty north of 877,000 mining will cease once BTC drops below a $1.00 for very long.
You can count on the next Bitcoin Version to have safeguards and probably regulated by a "body" somewhere. I would also doubt any novice will be able to mine.
It was fun while it lasted and I guess I got a bad ass gaming machine now, problem is I am not a gamer LOL !!!
Jun-24 2011 15:50.
Asuka
the only information i did not provide originally was my balance...
which i provided about an hour ago based on the best information I had... since I had an open order for buying coins when the site went down.
but they were given every piece of information they asked for except the two banks information that were not dwolla.
I even provided my last Bitcoin transfer to them with the bitcoin addressed used to send it.
not sure what else they are looking for.
Jun-24 2011 15:50.
BitchCoin Express
@bowlofdicks
When fraud occurs no matter where, virtual or not, you can bet your bottom dollar when it involves MILLIONS of USD or Yen, the government will find a way in.
Jun-24 2011 15:52.
Asuka
Jun-24 2011 15:52.
Frederik
I too can confirm a successful recovery e-mail from MtGox.
Apart from the impatience we all share, I keep my calm like many others.
What I do see are people trying to bring MtGox down by putting MtGox in a bad light for all to see, not the least the local authorities. I don't think that is the way to go. It is clear that those have an agenda, and it's not one that will help this community. This thread will become obsolete as soon as trading will recommence and the trolls will be laughed at and eventually be forgotten.
For me the compensation is not necessary, I would be happy to see a free two factor authentication and a quick reappearance of the renewed MtGox site.
As we speak, they are working their asses of to create an even better and safer trading site and they are hugely understaffed. Hence the big delay. Isn't that the most sane and logical explanation?
I believe it is. Lex parsimoniae!
Jun-24 2011 15:53.
BitchCoin Express
@Bowl ofDicks
I f you think the JC is BS, simply call tomorrow and then eat " ABowl of Dicks" LOL.............
You're a real shithead I hope you know.
Jun-24 2011 15:53.
Asuka
Jun-24 2011 15:54.
eatabowlofdicks
@BitchCoin I completely agree with you, but foreign governments- and the US Goverment- don't even have their head fully wrapped around BTC. Sure Senators are all over shutting it down...but there are heavy speculations on how they are going to get in and crack down. At this stage it is not concrete fraud - we all really need to see what MtGox has got on Saturday. I'm pissed man. I am with you. But I have patience and I'll continue to exercise it.
Jun-24 2011 15:55.
Asuka
Jun-24 2011 15:56.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 15:56.
BitchCoin Express
Quote Frederik
"As we speak, they are working their asses of to create an even better and safer trading site and they are hugely understaffed. Hence the big delay"
****
And you know this how??? I have the Japanese Consulate telling me it is a scam. The connection between MtGox and Tradehill has been proven.
I do agree with BowlofDicks, if we could find another good exchange, move the fuck on and forget these losers. BitCoin would survive.
Jun-24 2011 15:57.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 15:58.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 15:59.
Asuka
but to be honest, BitchCoin... just because Mtgox is not registered as a business with the government proves one thing... THEY ARE TAX DODGING. That could be the Criminal Investigation they are investigating. I can't see a federal investigation for anything less... even fraud against foreign nationals. There are businesses all over that are not registered here in the US. Why? Because they are low key and niche that no one may ever find out about til something goes wrong. And something went wrong here, and now the Government wants to know why they are not in on getting their proper cut of the income Mark is getting from MtGox..
Jun-24 2011 16:00.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 16:00.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 16:01.
Asuka
Jun-24 2011 16:01.
Thunderbunder
LOL. I have submitted extra proof (no idea why I needed to; I provided quite a lot already), and got:
***
Charles, Jun-24 11:49 (JST):
Hello,
Before 3:00 GMT on Friday June 24th you will receive an email from us advising that either
***
Anyone sees something impossible here? ;)
Jun-24 2011 16:02.
Asuka
Jun-24 2011 16:02.
Thunderbunder
Jun-24 2011 16:03.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 16:04.
BitchCoin Express
@eataBowlof Dicks
My still being here is just proof positive there is no admin control. I seriously believe the updates are preloaded auto posted.
Mark K is way to smart to access this and leave a trail to where he really is by logging in. He is known as a kick ass hacker worldwide and no way would he be ignorant enough to allow what he says happened. More than likely a real run occurred and he couldn't cover it between MGC and TH. Packed and run.
The delay tactics are to move the money out or I pray to god he is stalling to find money to fund this.
No matter what, Mt. Gox will never recover from this.
Jun-24 2011 16:04.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 16:06.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 16:07.
BitchCoin Express
@eatabowl
No response, neither denial or acceptance.
I don't expect anything, this is clearly a scam.
Jun-24 2011 16:07.
Asuka
Jun-24 2011 16:10.
Noah
Jun-24 2011 16:11.
BitchCoin Express
@eatabowl,
I have no actions pending. Just a 96 BTC balance.
I think you maybe on too something.
Anyone else with a balance only not get a response?
Jun-24 2011 16:11.
eatabowlofdicks
@Asuka I 100% agree with you.
@BitchCoin, until you get an acceptance email, don't post on here anymore. You're an assclown wearing an asshat. Corner. Face to wall.
Jun-24 2011 16:11.
BitchCoin Express
Jun-24 2011 16:13.
Brian
If Saturday comes and mt.gox doesnt exist, I dont care how many other exchange sites pop in its place. You deposit money to their site and they can and probably will do the same thing eventually. To quote a great man, "fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again".
Jun-24 2011 16:13.
Charles Hall
Jun-24 2011 16:15.
ktomi
Jun-24 2011 16:16.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 16:16.
Josh Figueroa
Jun-24 2011 16:18.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 16:19.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 16:19.
BitchCoin Express
User pool my ass! Everybody's BTC is already there LOL...........
I'll just claim an insecure database allowed a hacker to post as me LOL...........
Nah, wouldn't do that man..... no reason to fuck over everybody because you EABOD .....
Peace dude, nothing personal meant, all in fun.
I will see you losers tomorrow...........
Jun-24 2011 16:20.
J
I just got my rejection e-mail
and again:(
Mt.Gox Account recovery service
Account recovery request submitted at 2011-06-24 06:54:33 GMT.
Your account recovery request is pending review by our staff.
Once your account has been reviewed you will be sent an email advising how to access your Mt.Gox account.
We will begin sending out emails with instructions within the next 24 hours. If you do not receive the email after 48 hours (see above) please contact us so we can look into your claim request
If you want to send us extra documentation such as notarized documents, please print our PDF header page and send it to us with your proof.
And the wating begins.... Fucking bullshit.
Jun-24 2011 16:23.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 16:25.
Calvin
Jun-24 2011 16:26.
Asuka
@Bowl yeah that is what mine looks like now that I resubmitted:
Mt.Gox Account recovery service
Account recovery request submitted at 2011-06-24 05:33:11 GMT.
Your account recovery request is pending review by our staff.
Once your account has been reviewed you will be sent an email advising how to access your Mt.Gox account.
We will begin sending out emails with instructions within the next 24 hours. If you do not receive the email after 48 hours (see above) please contact us so we can look into your claim request
Jun-24 2011 16:27.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 16:27.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 16:29.
Tran Vu Duc
Mt.Gox Account recovery service
Account recovery request submitted at ******** GMT.
Your account recovery request has been accepted.
You will be able to access your Mt.Gox account once the site opens again.
:D, I've just got approval for myself.
Jun-24 2011 16:32.
eatabowlofdicks
Jun-24 2011 16:33.
Asuka
Jun-24 2011 16:35.
12am coffee
I just came across this site referred to by a friend of a friends friend, somehow got chained lettered, forward, forward. Ive signed up, what the hell. I need two or three of you here to invest a few coins and see if we cant make this work. I got a confirmation to my submission almost immediately, but it took a bit longer to get confirmation of activation. The ref # i was assigned is 02153-006, use it dont lose it.
It may not turn out to anything but its only 3 coins that ill pledge over the next few month consecutively see how it goes, not big loss if it doesnt, ive spent a ton more on rigs and mt.gox!! And with no platform to trade on right now this is giving me something to do and throw a few coins at during this idle time. Its worth the distraction.
peace out.
www.bit39.com
Jun-24 2011 16:41.
eatabowlofdicks
- Get your shitty spam off my Internet lawn
Jun-24 2011 16:44.
Noah
Jun-24 2011 16:47.
12am coffee
Jun-24 2011 16:54.
Josh Figueroa
@eatabowlofdicks
Just wanted to find the dumb person that was going to try. Also, we should stop calling JP Consulate. This will only continue the negative press that bitcoin is getting which at the end of the day affects us all. In order to continue to have a decentralize currency without any regulators is to keep any government and judicial system out of this.
Jun-24 2011 16:54.
Josh Figueroa
Jun-24 2011 16:57.
Asuka
Jun-24 2011 17:04.
Christian Ander
Jun-24 2011 17:11.
Frederik
Good news!
Account approved!
SEPA transactions confirmed!
Sure, there will be some injustice done because of the way MtGox went down, but I think we all can agree that it's not a scam!
But I do believe in the fact that some authorities call MtGox a scam or a fraud, but that's because of possible tax evasion and/or running an unlawful company.
English is not my native language so apologies for any mistakes made.
Jun-24 2011 17:32.
Andreas
my recovery request was also successful, but the mtgox site still seems to be down - always get redirected to the support site.
after sleeping a few hours i know, there is nothing to know..
every claim about what is going on can be right or wrong - maybe mtgox are fishy scammers, maybe governments took action against bitcoin by attacking the biggest exchange..(just to point out the extremes)
so for today i will not waste my time - instead i will just wait until tomorrow (and then maybe waste my time again.. ;) )
Jun-24 2011 17:42.
Pierre
My request was rejected.. What a stupid thing because i give my adresse,my bank adresse,date of a deposit,and my IP...furthermore my request probably take more than 24 hour (my first request take more than 48h...)...Good things to trade tomarrow...
Thanks mtgox
Jun-24 2011 17:49.
Patrick Harnett
Thought I'd add something before I wait until another tomorrow rolls past. I thought the comments about possible "close" links with TradeHill were worth noting (thanks B*Coin - in amongst all the other BS) so I transferred out a few coins from there as a precaution, although, if they went it wouldn't be the end of the world.
This stuff is play money - a few thousand dollars for some, less for many others - I've had things cost me a lot more than this over the years (ie, currently chasing someone for a fist full of $$$ they owe/stole and saw a decent sized investment disappear in a manufacturing business), so I can't get too wound up about it.
Also, if Mark and his business are supposed to be in Cerulean Tower I might have a look - I'm supposed to be there in two weeks. Then I'll go spend a fist-full of Bitcoins drinking Kirin beer and doing bad karaoke.
Jun-24 2011 18:11.
J
Jun-24 2011 18:21.
I
I wonder what kind of rule they have for accepting claims ....
I was lucky being able to provide FULL bank transaction details (and details about the last incoming btc transactions) because (yes, call me paranoid) i made screenshots / notes in my transaction log on all noteworthy occassions.
My reclaim was rejected.
I wonder how people, who can't even supply their last balance, have no static ip and never transferred $ from the platform, are supposed to be able to reclaim their account.
Jun-24 2011 18:35.
hans
Jun-24 2011 18:59.
js
Jun-24 2011 19:02.
I
Jun-24 2011 19:03.
k
Jun-24 2011 19:10.
js
Jun-24 2011 19:12.
Uncle Mantis
Jun-24 2011 19:16.
Uncle Mantis
Jun-24 2011 19:17.
k
- @BitchCoin Express
@K go to Kalyhost.com, look at the bottom of the page, "Powered by Tibanne Ltd."
Yeah I saw that ...
Next educated yourself on domain name searches and find out who the webhost for Tradehill is.
"Read and Weep"
mtgox.com is 72.52.5.67
whois output for that IP:
Network
NetRange 72.52.0.0 - 72.52.63.255
CIDR 72.52.0.0/18
Name PROLEXIC
Handle NET-72-52-0-0-1
Parent NET72 (NET-72-0-0-0-0)
Net Type Direct Allocation
Origin AS
Organization Prolexic Technologies, Inc. (PROLE)
Registration Date 2005-07-11
Last Updated 2007-06-27
Comments http://www.prolexic.com / NOC hours are 24/7
RESTful Link http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-72-52-0-0-1
Function Point of Contact
Tech HOSTM528-ARIN (HOSTM528-ARIN)
See Also Related organization's POC records.
See Also Related delegations.
Organization
Name Prolexic Technologies, Inc.
Handle PROLE
Street 1930 Harrison Street
City Hollywood
State/Province FL
Postal Code 33020
Country US
Registration Date 2004-07-15
Last Updated 2009-10-16
Comments
RESTful Link http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/PROLE
Function Point of Contact
Tech HOSTM528-ARIN (HOSTM528-ARIN)
NOC SOC37-ARIN (SOC37-ARIN)
Abuse ABUSE3056-ARIN (ABUSE3056-ARIN)
Admin HOSTM528-ARIN (HOSTM528-ARIN)
Point of Contact
Name Hostmaster
Handle HOSTM528-ARIN
Company Prolexic Technologies
Street 1930 Harrison Street
City Hollywood
State/Province FL
Postal Code 33020
Country US
Registration Date 2004-07-15
Last Updated 2011-06-16
Comments
Phone +1-866-800-0366 (Office)
Email
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
RESTful Link http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/HOSTM528-ARIN
Point of Contact
Name SOC
Handle SOC37-ARIN
Company Prolexic Technologies
Street 1930 Harrison Street
City Hollywood
State/Province FL
Postal Code 33020
Country US
Registration Date 2011-06-16
Last Updated 2011-06-16
Comments Security Operations Center
Phone +1-866-800-0366 (Office)
Email
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
RESTful Link http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/SOC37-ARIN
Point of Contact
Name Abuse
Handle ABUSE3056-ARIN
Company Prolexic Technologies
Street 1930 Harrison Street
City Hollywood
State/Province FL
Postal Code 33020
Country US
Registration Date 2011-06-16
Last Updated 2011-06-16
Comments
Phone +1-866-800-0366 (Office)
Email
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
RESTful Link http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/ABUSE3056-ARIN
tradehill.com is 46.21.104.237
whois output for that IP:
Network
NetRange 46.0.0.0 - 46.255.255.255
CIDR 46.0.0.0/8
Name 46-RIPE
Handle NET-46-0-0-0-0
Parent
Net Type Allocated to RIPE NCC
Origin AS
Organization RIPE Network Coordination Centre (RIPE)
Registration Date 2009-09-29
Last Updated 2009-09-30
Comments These addresses have been further assigned to users in
the RIPE NCC region. Contact information can be found in
the RIPE database at http://www.ripe.net/whois
RESTful Link http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-46-0-0-0-0
See Also Related organization's POC records.
See Also Related delegations.
Organization
Name RIPE Network Coordination Centre
Handle RIPE
Street P.O. Box 10096
City Amsterdam
State/Province
Postal Code 1001EB
Country NL
Registration Date
Last Updated 2011-03-15
Comments
RESTful Link http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/RIPE
Referral Server whois://whois.ripe.net:43
Function Point of Contact
Tech RNO29-ARIN (RNO29-ARIN)
Admin RNO29-ARIN (RNO29-ARIN)
Point of Contact
Name RIPE NCC Operations
Handle RNO29-ARIN
Company RIPE Network Coordination Centre
Street P.O. Box 10096
City Amsterdam
State/Province
Postal Code 1001EB
Country NL
Registration Date 2005-04-29
Last Updated 2011-06-07
Comments
Phone +31 20 535 4444 (Office)
Email
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
RESTful Link http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/RNO29-ARIN
Jun-24 2011 19:20.
k
Hmm, that didn't come out right.
Lets try again.
@BitchCoin Express
I said "proof or it's lies" and I still don't see any proof:
whois for mtgox.com
DOMAIN: MTGOX.COM
RSP: KalyHost
URL: http://www.kalyhost.com/
created-date: 2007-01-02 21:05:49
updated-date: 2011-03-06 05:45:07
registration-expiration-date: 2013-01-02 21:05:49
owner-organization: Tibanne Co. Ltd.
owner-name: Mark Karpelès
owner-street: Cerulean Tower 15F
owner-city: Shibuya
owner-state: Tokyo
owner-zip: 168-0082
owner-country: JP
owner-phone: +81.345501529
owner-fax:
owner-email: @tibanne.com
admin-organization: Tibanne Co. Ltd.
admin-name: Mark Karpelès
admin-street: Cerulean Tower 15F
admin-city: Shibuya
admin-state: Tokyo
admin-zip: 168-0082
admin-country: JP
admin-phone: +81.345501529
admin-fax:
admin-email: @tibanne.com
tech-organization: Tibanne Co. Ltd.
tech-name: Mark Karpelès
tech-street: Cerulean Tower 15F
tech-city: Shibuya
tech-state: Tokyo
tech-zip: 168-0082
tech-country: JP
tech-phone: +81.345501529
tech-fax:
tech-email: @tibanne.com
billing-organization: Tibanne Co. Ltd.
billing-name: Mark Karpelès
billing-street: Cerulean Tower 15F
billing-city: Shibuya
billing-state: Tokyo
billing-zip: 168-0082
billing-country: JP
billing-phone: +81.345501529
billing-fax:
billing-email: @tibanne.com
nameserver: ns1.xta.net 173.224.127.77
nameserver: ns2.xta.net 178.63.62.51
2a01:04f8:0120:9485:0000:0000:0000:0001
; Contact us for more informations - @kalyhost.com
; Get quality support, web hosting, domains and VPS on KalyHost
; http://www.kalyhost.com/
whois for tradehill.com
Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
Registered through: Domains in Seconds
Domain Name: TRADEHILL.COM
Created on: 17-May-11
Expires on: 17-May-12
Last Updated on: 17-May-11
Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598
Technical Contact:
Private, Registration
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598
Domain servers in listed order:
NS75.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS76.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Registry Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Registry Status: clientRenewProhibited
Registry Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Status: clientUpdateProhibited
mtgox.com is 72.52.5.67
whois output for that IP:
Network
NetRange 72.52.0.0 - 72.52.63.255
CIDR 72.52.0.0/18
Name PROLEXIC
Handle NET-72-52-0-0-1
Parent NET72 (NET-72-0-0-0-0)
Net Type Direct Allocation
Origin AS
Organization Prolexic Technologies, Inc. (PROLE)
Registration Date 2005-07-11
Last Updated 2007-06-27
Comments http://www.prolexic.com / NOC hours are 24/7
RESTful Link http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-72-52-0-0-1
Function Point of Contact
Tech HOSTM528-ARIN (HOSTM528-ARIN)
See Also Related organization's POC records.
See Also Related delegations.
Organization
Name Prolexic Technologies, Inc.
Handle PROLE
Street 1930 Harrison Street
City Hollywood
State/Province FL
Postal Code 33020
Country US
Registration Date 2004-07-15
Last Updated 2009-10-16
Comments
RESTful Link http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/PROLE
Function Point of Contact
Tech HOSTM528-ARIN (HOSTM528-ARIN)
NOC SOC37-ARIN (SOC37-ARIN)
Abuse ABUSE3056-ARIN (ABUSE3056-ARIN)
Admin HOSTM528-ARIN (HOSTM528-ARIN)
Point of Contact
Name Hostmaster
Handle HOSTM528-ARIN
Company Prolexic Technologies
Street 1930 Harrison Street
City Hollywood
State/Province FL
Postal Code 33020
Country US
Registration Date 2004-07-15
Last Updated 2011-06-16
Comments
Phone +1-866-800-0366 (Office)
Email
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
RESTful Link http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/HOSTM528-ARIN
Point of Contact
Name SOC
Handle SOC37-ARIN
Company Prolexic Technologies
Street 1930 Harrison Street
City Hollywood
State/Province FL
Postal Code 33020
Country US
Registration Date 2011-06-16
Last Updated 2011-06-16
Comments Security Operations Center
Phone +1-866-800-0366 (Office)
Email
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
RESTful Link http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/SOC37-ARIN
Point of Contact
Name Abuse
Handle ABUSE3056-ARIN
Company Prolexic Technologies
Street 1930 Harrison Street
City Hollywood
State/Province FL
Postal Code 33020
Country US
Registration Date 2011-06-16
Last Updated 2011-06-16
Comments
Phone +1-866-800-0366 (Office)
Email
This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
RESTful Link http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/ABUSE3056-ARIN
tradehill.com is 46.21.104.237
whois output for that IP:
Network
NetRange 46.0.0.0 - 46.255.255.255
CIDR 46.0.0.0/8
Name 46-RIPE
Handle NET-46-0-0-0-0
Parent
Net Type Allocated to RIPE NCC
Origin AS
Organization RIPE Network Coordination Centre (RIPE)
Registration Date 2009-09-29
Last Updated 2009-09-30
Comments These addresses have been further assigned to users in
the RIPE NCC region. Contact information can be found in
the RIPE database at http://www.ripe.net/whois
RESTful Link http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-46-0-0-0-0
See Also Related organization's POC records.
See Also Related delegations.
Organization
Name RIPE Network Coordination Centre
Handle RIPE
Street P.O. Box 10096
City Amsterdam
State/Province
Postal Code 1001EB
Country NL
Registration Date
Last Updated 2011-03-15
Comments
RESTful Link http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/RIPE
Referral Server whois://whois.ripe.net:43
Function Point of Contact
Tech RNO29-ARIN (RNO29-ARIN)
Admin RNO29-ARIN (RNO29-ARIN)
Point of Contact
Name RIPE NCC Operations
Handle RNO29-ARIN
Company RIPE Network Coordination Centre
Street P.O. Box 10096
City Amsterdam
State/Province
Postal Code 1001EB
Country NL
Registration Date 2005-04-29
Last Updated 2011-06-07
Comments
Phone +31 20 535 4444 (Office)
Email
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RESTful Link http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/RNO29-ARIN
Jun-24 2011 19:24.
Frederik
@k your response of tradehill.com is not detailed enough, this is the generic IP reservation space that is being returned.
More detailed for tradehill.com:
Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
Registered through: Domains in Seconds
Domain Name: TRADEHILL.COM
Created on: 17-May-11
Expires on: 17-May-12
Last Updated on: 17-May-11
Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration
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Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598
Technical Contact:
Private, Registration
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Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598
Domain servers in listed order:
NS75.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS76.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Jun-24 2011 19:26.
Frederik
Jun-24 2011 19:27.
Ivica Jovanovic
Jun-24 2011 19:32.
k
- @Frederick
You were right, here is the info from RIPE for tradehill.com's IP (still no proof like that other Internet tough guy was talking about though):
% Information related to '46.21.104.0 - 46.21.105.255'
inetnum: 46.21.104.0 - 46.21.105.255
netname: GLESYS-CUSTOMER-SERVERS
descr: Customer VPS services located in Falkenberg, Sweden
remarks: INFRA-AW
country: SE
admin-c: GLE-RIPE
tech-c: GLE-RIPE
status: ASSIGNED PA
mnt-by: GLESYS-MNT
mnt-domains: GLESYS-MNT
source: RIPE # Filtered
person: GleSYS Support
address: Box 134
address: 31122 Falkenberg
address: Sweden
phone: +46-346-738800
nic-hdl: GLE-RIPE
mnt-by: GLESYS-MNT
source: RIPE # Filtered
% Information related to '46.21.96.0/20AS43948'
route: 46.21.96.0/20
descr: GleSYS Internet Services AB
remarks:
remarks: For abuse related questions please contact
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remarks:
origin: AS43948
mnt-by: GLESYS-MNT
source: RIPE # Filtered
Jun-24 2011 19:39.
Ivica Jovanovic
Mt Gox,you are "fishy"...I received e-mail,my claim is rejecte,so I have to resend claim...It looks as you want to postopne this reopening of site,who knows how long.I am losing patience...I will use
https://www.bitcoin7.com/?ref=9256
from now
Jun-24 2011 20:05.
Toni
Jun-24 2011 20:33.
Asuka
Jun-24 2011 20:37.
Asuka
Jun-24 2011 20:37.
k
- To be fair, maybe tradehill and mtgox are the same people?
I've simply yet to see proof.
All these threats won't do anything though, so we might as well keep waiting and see what happens :)
Jun-24 2011 20:38.
Peter Darmouth
My claim was also rejected. Damn you dynamic IPs!
@js: Is there a way to find recent data on claim statistics? They somehow managed to work through 4k claims in 2 1/2 hrs. If they managed to keep up that speed, everybody should have gotten approved by now (given they sent in the right infos).
Jun-24 2011 20:42.
Derek
I don't understand why my account verification keeps getting rejected. I provided the Dwolla account ID I used to transfer money to Mt.Gox, the approximate amount of Bitcoins I had in my account before it went down, the amount of the transfer I made from Dwolla to Mt.Gox in USD....I mean, that should be proof enough?
Jun-24 2011 20:49.
Peter Darmouth
Jun-24 2011 20:53.
vickie totherow
I keep getting this message,,, Am I doing this right,,, The password for this account is invalid, or this account is not currently under claim process.
Jun-24 2011 20:55.
vickie totherow
I keep getting this message,,, Am I doing this right,,, The password for this account is invalid, or this account is not currently under claim process.
Jun-24 2011 20:58.
vickie totherow
I keep getting this message,,, Am I doing this right,,, The password for this account is invalid, or this account is not currently under claim process.
Jun-24 2011 20:58.
Peter Darmouth
Jun-24 2011 21:03.
Dio P.
I have like most of you guys & girls been following the proceedings here with quite a bit of interest and anticipation.
After 3 tries and 2-3 days of wating patiently, my request was just accepted.. After providing details of the last 3 transactions from my account in Sweden to the Mt. Gox Bitcoin account.
I sincerely hope all you people will eventually make it in.
Cheers...
Jun-24 2011 21:04.
Ace
Rejected!
Username, Password, IP address, Dwolla account.
WTF? Mt Gox. how much "proof" do you need
THIEVING BASTARDS!!
Jun-24 2011 21:16.
vickie totherow
I keep getting this message,,, Am I doing this right,,, The password for this account is invalid, or this account is not currently under claim process.
Jun-24 2011 21:16.
Dennis
Jun-24 2011 21:21.
teamdren
@ravious - there is truth in the theory - free from fact - bitcoin is indeed the last thing you want to see if you're in the business of printing money a la every major government in the world.
Personally I included some extra info with my resubmission. I included password, email, dwolla, IP, and my history of dwolla->mtgox deposits - then, from my memory, I included my trade history on MTGox, my join date, my transfer history on MTGox, and the provider and geographic area associated with my IP address.
^That's the kind of stuff google asks for if you ever forget your gmail password. And believe me, recovering a gmail password can be a nightmare, and in some cases completely impossible. The MTGox team seems to be doing a fantastic job with this. For information as I get it it's twitter.com/teamdren
Jun-24 2011 21:57.
firexware
- Everyone send any amount of bitcoins to:
19WxgrTCfTSDjQrPnKESCgFBbYKEurEYKJ
I'll randomly select one sender, with the selection weighted on the amount of bitcoins that were sent, and ill send 90% of the total back to that address.
Jun-24 2011 22:01.
firexware
- BTW, my account got accepted/confirmed/whatever with only my old password and IP address. For the people who are getting rejected when they provide every information possible, try providing less. I think they have done it backwards and will instantly reject if there is ANY false information even though the rest is accurate.
Jun-24 2011 22:03.
Rassah
Hey, when you guys called the Japanese Consulate, did they say the "criminal investigation is pending" AGAINST MtGox, or in RELATION to MtGox?? Because Mark did say they reported this incident to the Japanese police and authorities, so the JC will likely have a record of that.
Jun-24 2011 22:06.
Sean
Jun-24 2011 22:11.
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